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 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

So, it's official.

http://filmmusicreporter.com/2019/12/17/simon-franglen-to-score-james-camerons-avatar-sequels/

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

good news !

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 12:56 PM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Thanks God, that not Junkie XS.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 12:58 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

That is great news. He did such a great job with Mag7 and Pandora.

It means that James Horner’s music will hopefully live again.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I loved Magnifcent Seven more than most so I’m very optimistic about this, though I’d have loved previous Cameron collaborator Joel McNeely to get the gig!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

No one comes close to Horner.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Can't say I disagree with the choice, though I'd have picked Don Davis.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:24 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Well, let me be the voice of discontent, then:

Terrible, albeit expected news. I haven't liked a single thing Franglen has done as solo composer, and his attempt at 'recreating'/arranging Horner on MAG 7 and PANDORA is one of the most lacklustre things I've ever heard. So now I'm able to add Franglen to the list of hack composers who take over franchises I love and ruin potentially great movies (other 'luminaries' on this list include Desplat, Giacchino and Göransson).

This should have been James Newton Howard's gig all the way.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:53 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

So now I'm able to add Franglen to the list of hack composers who take over franchises I love and ruin potentially great movies

Can you guys believe that an adult man actually wrote this?

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:54 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yes, one that is completely honest.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)

Yes, one that is completely honest.

And clearly needs to grow up just a tiny bit.

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Right, so people who don't share your evaluation of things 'need to grow up'? I would argue THAT is the childish rhetoric here.

But hey, I'll give Franglen the benefit of the doubt for now. Even a broken clock is right once a day.

 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

From "hack composers" to "Junkie XS", there are a lot of immature takes on this thread. And it just started!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:10 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

There's nothing immature in labelling someone a 'hack', if that's one's opinion. It's a negative, brutally honest evalution of a composer's work, usually a composer that gets prominent gigs, but where you just can't see an ounce of quality. "The Emperor's New Clothes" and all that.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

How can a positive thread descend into chaos so quickly!?

How are Giacchino, Desplat and Franglen hacks? Please elaborate?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   amatalqa   (Member)

Not impressed by this choice at all. Magnificent 7 is an awful generic score. One would think Cameron would have the wisdom to recognize that such a mammoth task requires more than rehashing the old themes. This guy's bio takes credit for Horner's scores as if they're his own music. Not a good sign. Want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but having heard his attempts at recreating Horner and reading his bio, I don't think so. Bring in Silvestri, John Powell or James Newton Howard please. What a missed opportunity.

Read the bio here: http://www.simonfranglen.com/?fbclid=IwAR2E1OPpG1hudOWEuwpDlbRrSBKfl8YpYdqUDTc_D9fxg1KKo-6UVLE8B1c

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

I loved Magnifcent Seven more than most so I’m very optimistic about this, though I’d have loved previous Cameron collaborator Joel McNeely to get the gig!

Yavar


Totally agree with you regarding Mag7. A gritty, full bodied meaty score with some magnificent Horner touches.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:16 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

How can a positive thread descend into chaos so quickly!?

Well, 'positive' is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? This was not positive news to me. I care very much for the AVATAR universe, both score and film. So the hiring of Franglen -- albeit somewhat expected -- was a provocation and punch to the gut.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   BrenKel   (Member)

How can a positive thread descend into chaos so quickly!?

Well, 'positive' is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it? This was not positive news to me. I care very much for the AVATAR universe, both score and film. So the hiring of Franglen -- albeit somewhat expected -- was a provocation and punch to the gut.


Fair enough. But why is Giacchino o a hack, or Desplat? They are not in my top ten but blimey I would hardly describe them as hacks!

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 17, 2019 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Fair enough. But why is Giacchino o a hack, or Desplat? They are not in my top ten but blimey I would hardly describe them as hacks!

Well, true. In relation to Desplat it's not really fair. He has a few gems on his resume and he isn't generally a hack. But he quite often displays 'hack' tendencies, perhaps due to his immense workload; there's a lot of uninspired, aimless ostinato swirling around in his scores, especially for bigger films. Completely anonymous, seemingly indifferent scores going nowhere fast. Like when he completely undermined anything that was interesting about the HARRY POTTER scores. Even the simple noodlings of Nicholas Hooper were better.

But don't get me started on Giacchino again. We'd be here all day! He's the Ultimate Hack. smile

 
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