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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 8:57 AM   
 By:   wizardofoz   (Member)

Only four scores together but The First great Train Robbery is my favourite.

How about how bad Pursuit is, leaving Coma which is like the best parts of Freud and the worst parts of Logan’s Run.

Goldsmith would have killed it doing Westworld 1973 or Looker. The two seemed suited which is why Runaway actually works.

Why does everyone hate it like it is as bad as Criminal Law?

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Why does everyone hate it like it is as bad as Criminal Law?

I think Runaway is a very well-written score, and has much more variety than Criminal Law.

That said, Runaway is electronic, and realized on early digital keyboards -- primarily the Yamaha DX7 -- whose lower bit rates gave them a more "shrill", "cold" timbre.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

If you include CONGO and THE 13TH WARRIOR you get six scores. I think in the latter case Goldsmith worked directly with Crichton.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 10:19 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I rank the scores thusly:

1. THE FIRST GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY
2. THE 13TH WARRIOR
3. CONGO
4. COMA
5. RUNAWAY

Never saw or heard PURSUIT.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I did a complete score breakdown (actually with detailed "advance liner notes") for Pursuit, here:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117275&forumID=1&archive=0

Wonderful score and I hope it gets released someday! (Even if it requires being newly recorded...)

But my favorite Goldsmith score for Chrichton is Congo, if we are counting that. wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

I did a complete score breakdown (actually with detailed "advance liner notes") for Pursuit, here:
https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=117275&forumID=1&archive=0

Wonderful score and I hope it gets released someday! (Even if it requires being newly recorded...)

But my favorite Goldsmith score for Chrichton is Congo, if we are counting that. wink

Yavar


Come on Yavar

Congo over The Great Train Robbery ???

JNH was the first choice composer.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:22 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

In terms of my enjoyment on album, YES! big grin

In terms of marriage of excellent score with excellent film, clearly The Great Train Robbery stands head and shoulders above the rest.

But even when it comes to film, I think I enjoy Congo more wink

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:31 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   The Shadow   (Member)

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 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

The Paramount test screening for Congo were famously bad, they edited it and added some stuff, but alas, it is really not a very good film. But I guess in a throwback, not part of a large franchise way, with a beer or wine in the hand, and the Jerry music pumped up, yeah, perhaps it is fine. But Great Train Robbery probably the best film out of them all

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I remember seeing CONGO in the cinema when it came out; loving the adventure of it, but recognizing its somewhat hokey B movie stylings already then (Stephen Sommers did that kind of stuff better).

Some time after the screening, I subsequently bought the soundtrack in the local record shop (amazingly, they had it), thus being one of my earliest soundtrack CDs. Alas, I didn't care THAT much for the score outside its main theme and such, so I rushed back to the record shop to exchange it with THE NIGHTMARE BEFORE CHRISTMAS. I've never regretted it, since NIGHTMARE basically launched my Elfman obsession, but in later years I've re-acquired CONGO (digitally) and really enjoying it for what it is.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

See...I've never read the book Congo, and to anyone arguing that the film is a travesty of an adaptation of superior source materail -- I'm inclined to believe you!

But as a fun B-flick that is tongue-in-cheek and knows *exactly* what it is, I find Congo an absolute delight, a fun ride with an excellent score and great memorable cast having a blast with knowingly silly dialogue -- Where else can you have Laura Linney playing the fiancee of (a wonderfully hammy) Bruce Campbell? And Tim Curry and especially Ernie Hudson steal every frickin' scene they're in.

Yeah, I'm not proud of loving Congo the movie, but I'm not ashamed of it either. big grin

And I'm one in the minority of people who thinks between Congo and The Ghost and the Darkness, the former is the stronger score over all (though if we are only focusing on ferocious action music, TGatD wins).

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

...
But even when it comes to film, I think I enjoy Congo more wink

Yavar


A 1995 movie more enjoyable than a 1978 one? This is rare I am afraid....
But CONGO the score is great allright...

The problem with CONGO the movie...is that it should have been shot and released back in 1982....as it was intended first. Ok the make up and SFX would have been different, but imagine an alternate Jerry Goldsmith CONGO score in the middle of THE CHALLENGE and FIRST BLOOD era? This would have been terrific. Can't you imagine what we missed?


I actually find Goldsmith's cue "Kahega" from CONGO to be just as ferocious as the action beats heard in THE CHALLENGE and FIRST BLOOD. True, it's not across the entire CONGO score, but "Kahega" is a standout action track.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   batman&robin   (Member)

I must say I'm with Yavar on this.

And I would rank these scores as:

1. THE 13TH WARRIOR
2. CONGO
3. TIMELINE
4. THE FIRST GREAT TRAIN ROBBERY
5. COMA
6. RUNAWAY
7. PURSUIT

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 1:15 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'd rank "The 13th Warrior" last, with "Runaway" just above it.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   miguel   (Member)

Let me just pop in a second to say I think Coma is a great masterpiece by Mr Goldsmith - and I really like the other scores as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   miguel   (Member)

...
But even when it comes to film, I think I enjoy Congo more wink

Yavar


A 1995 movie more enjoyable than a 1978 one? This is rare I am afraid....
But CONGO the score is great allright...

The problem with CONGO the movie...is that it should have been shot and released back in 1982....as it was intended first. Ok the make up and SFX would have been different, but imagine an alternate Jerry Goldsmith CONGO score in the middle of THE CHALLENGE and FIRST BLOOD era? This would have been terrific. Can't you imagine what we missed?


Yes, I can. Absolutely agreed.

 
 Posted:   Jan 22, 2020 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Shaun Rutherford   (Member)

Fix the spelling! What is this, the Shittunes composer field??

 
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