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 Posted:   Feb 6, 2020 - 2:13 PM   
 By:   That Neil Guy   (Member)

The Big Goodbye: Chinatown and the Last Years of Hollywood
by Sam Wesson

https://amzn.to/2vWKWwQ

I'd like to think there'll be some discussion of the score.

 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2020 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

This one popped up on my radar last week and I can't wait. One of my favorite scores, and one of my favorite films.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 6, 2020 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I'm reading the book. There are several pages about the scoring. Very interesting. Phillip Lambro's score was continuously praised--right up to the disastrous screening. I love Goldsmith's score--my favorite of his; but I love the description of Lambro's music--yes, I know it's out there to get, so now I am. Robert Evans engaged Goldsmith by knocking on his door!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2020 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)


My local paper reviewed it today. Here are some quotations from this new book.

“With great style and lyricism, Sam Wasson’s nonfiction account of the making of the neo-noir classic “Chinatown” focuses on four of Tinsel-town’s denizens on the cusp of realizing their California dream when the Manson family unleashed its nightmare.”

“It’s impossible not to fall for this love letter to a love letter that pastes together the often sticky collage of how talent plus perseverance can equal a classic film”

“The four main antagonists are vividly portrayed: Evan, the schmoozer with taste; Towne the down-trodden writer; Nicolson the charmer leading a charmed life; and Polanski the auteur…. By comparison, short shrift is given to Faye Dunaway, brilliant as the femme fatale but high maintenance behind the cameras. “

“…Phillip Lambro, fired after preview audiences rejected his avant-garde score, leading to period-appropriate music from cinema stalwart Jerry Goldsmith.”

Of course, other areas in the review are covered.

Sounds like a thorough analysis of this movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 18, 2020 - 10:16 AM   
 By:   dkear   (Member)

A fascinating and compelling read! A bit strange that in the first section, which deals with Polanski's deep-rooted fear of losing those closest to him, the author doesn't cover the passing of Krzysztof Komeda, since he covers "Vampire Killers" and Rosemary's Baby." (There's only an oblique reference to him in the discussion of the "Chinatown" score later on.) By most accounts Polanski and Komeda were very tight. But perhaps his fatality was one of those subplots that just didn't quite fit the story arc. In any event, the book is a really engrossing deep dive into that era.

 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2023 - 5:02 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)



“…Phillip Lambro, fired after preview audiences rejected his avant-garde score, leading to period-appropriate music from cinema stalwart Jerry Goldsmith.”



"period-appropriate"? Not entirely.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2023 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)



“…Phillip Lambro, fired after preview audiences rejected his avant-garde score, leading to period-appropriate music from cinema stalwart Jerry Goldsmith.”



"period-appropriate"? Not entirely.


I think it's hard for some people's memories to get past that stunning trumpet. You're right, of course, he mostly approached Chinatown's period the same way he did L.A. Confidential, preferring the mood, the emotions, and the kind of music that helps the story, rather than announcing itself with a standout, period style.

In a quickie interview at the time of the Oscar noms, Curtis Hanson talked about asking Jerry to do period music, and Goldsmith telling him that emotions are emotions, no matter when a story is set, so let me score that. Your songs will cue the period for people.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2023 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

I thought this was going to be about the proper Chinatown in Liverpool!

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2023 - 1:50 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)



“…Phillip Lambro, fired after preview audiences rejected his avant-garde score, leading to period-appropriate music from cinema stalwart Jerry Goldsmith.”



"period-appropriate"? Not entirely.


I think it's hard for some people's memories to get past that stunning trumpet. You're right, of course, he mostly approached Chinatown's period the same way he did L.A. Confidential, preferring the mood, the emotions, and the kind of music that helps the story, rather than announcing itself with a standout, period style.

In a quickie interview at the time of the Oscar noms, Curtis Hanson talked about asking Jerry to do period music, and Goldsmith telling him that emotions are emotions, no matter when a story is set, so let me score that. Your songs will cue the period for people.


Yep, I agree with this response, I was about to say the same thing!

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2023 - 3:46 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I don't think Goldsmith's score is period. Period.

I don't think lambro's score is avant-garde. I think Goldsmith's score is more avant-garde than Lambro's.

I rather like Lambro's score. in some ways he approached it the same way goldsmith did.

The big difference--and it's a whopper--is that Goldsmith's theme drips with tragedy and drama and Lambro's theme, by itself a nice piece of music, doesn't grasp that tragic element.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 3:15 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

The big difference--and it's a whopper--is that Goldsmith's theme drips with tragedy and drama and Lambro's theme, by itself a nice piece of music, doesn't grasp that tragic element.

I haven't heard Lambro's music. Goldsmith does capture the sorrow and tragedy in the movie. I wish the book had dealt more with Goldsmith's score. Robert Evans felt this score saved the movie.

I decided to watch this movie again after just finishing this book today. The movie is brilliant. I enjoyed it more after reading this book. I admired all of it except Faye Dunaway's mannered performance. The book certainly focuses on the movie, but it also deals a lot with Robert Evans, Roman Polanski, and especially Robert Towne, the script writer.

While I thought Goldsmith's score dovetailed well with the movie, I find many of his other scores more varied and interesting than this one.

If a member here liked Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, you would like this book. This book really deals with the huge changes in movies during the 60's and 70's.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 4:17 PM   
 By:   HAL 2000   (Member)

I thought this was going to be about the proper Chinatown in Liverpool!

Hmf. Proper? When they make a proper movie that has something to do with that one we'll talk about it, i suppose.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 6:53 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

If a member here liked Once Upon a Time in Hollywood, you would like this book. This book really deals with the huge changes in movies during the 60's and 70's.

Hey joan, I caught each and every one of the zillion in-jokes, asides, homages, etc. in that flick and it’s the same for Explorers and Matinee. It’s like maroons like me are part of the Tarantino and Dante direct target audience. Anyway, think I’ll revisit Chinatown thanks to this thread resurrection.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 23, 2023 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Hey joan, I caught each and every one of the zillion in-jokes, asides, homages, etc. in that flick and it’s the same for Explorers and Matinee. It’s like maroons like me are part of the Tarantino and Dante direct target audience. Anyway, think I’ll revisit Chinatown thanks to this thread resurrection.

Hey Howard, guess I'm a "maroon" too. I just want to point out that the movie doesn't really show the changes in Hollywood. It is this book that goes into the various movies that changed Hollywood. Also, this book was at my library. If it isn't at your library, your library could do what is called a national rental. My library will send out my requests to various libraries which ship books to my library. I just have to pay a $2.00 rental fee.

 
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