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 Posted:   Feb 7, 2020 - 3:16 PM   
 By:   pooter   (Member)

Please understand me here. I'm not trying to kick up a fuss or say ”This board sucks”. It's not like that. I've been visiting it pretty much everyday for over fifteen years. So this is a genuine question, prompted by something that happened earlier today.

Through Facebook, I heard that the score to 80s horror movie ”The Brain” was being released by Terrorvision Records, and I thought...”How cool, I wonder if people on the FSM board will be talking about it”. Then I thought...’don’t be silly, they probably wont be’. Because I often notice that these sorts of score releases don’t get any attention. The same could be said of labels like Waxwork or Mondo or One Way Static etc. Or what about all the unreleased scores that are legally streaming on Bandcamp or Spotify, Like Valdimir Horunzy’s score to Elves for example.

Again, I'm not trying to criticise, I just want to understand...is it because these scores are often horror movies from lesser known composers? Is it because they often come from low budget films so they don't count for the FSM style of music fan? Is it that folks are simply not aware of them? Or is it really, as I suspect, that it's because they aren't often available on CD? For example, The Brain is coming to Vinyl, Cassette and digital download. I understand many of you hate anything that isn't a CD. But for a cool score, wouldn't you at least enjoy the digital version?

I guess I'm just wondering if I'm an obscure minority here in terms of taste, or is it's all to do with format. It’d be a shame either way, because some of these scores are fantastic.

And yes, I know that some do get a mention on here (Unsolved Mysteries LP set for example), but they often seem to pass the board by. And yes, I realise that someone might have posted about The Brain, even as I speak, but im sure I'm not the only one whose spotted these types of releases almost seem like an irrelevance here.

Thanks! And here's the link for ”The Brain” and others, here: https://www.terror-vision.com/

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 7, 2020 - 3:41 PM   
 By:   MikeP   (Member)



Again, I'm not trying to criticise, I just want to understand...is it because these scores are often horror movies from lesser known composers? Is it because they often come from low budget films so they don't count for the FSM style of music fan? Is it that folks are simply not aware of them? Or is it really, as I suspect, that it's because they aren't often available on CD? For example, The Brain is coming to Vinyl, Cassette and digital download. I understand many of you hate anything that isn't a CD. But for a cool score, wouldn't you at least enjoy the digital version?

I guess I'm just wondering if I'm an obscure minority here in terms of taste, or is it's all to do with format. It’d be a shame either way, because some of these scores are fantastic.

And yes, I know that some do get a mention on here (Unsolved Mysteries LP set for example), but they often seem to pass the board by. And yes, I realise that someone might have posted about The Brain, even as I speak, but im sure I'm not the only one whose spotted these types of releases almost seem like an irrelevance here.


I think it's a combination of A: not being aware of a lot of these releases, and B: vinyl . I know for me, if a score is released on LP only, I lose any interest, write it off. I gave away my turntable years ago and ain't looking back razz

For me, a lot of these vinyl titles just aren't interesting. It seems like - and yeah I am probably wrong - a lot of these albums are bottom of the barrel. But vinyl collectors eat them up because they're on LP only.

A digital download is fine with me if I have to go that way, it doesn't bother me at all. But if it is in a format that I have no way of playing, then you've lost my interest and my business. big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 3:25 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Aye, pretty much what Mike said.
Vinyl is a huge turn off to me. I ain't ever going back there either.
Also, I'm not a big fan of obscure 80s horror films, so that's why I probably never show much interest in these, if I spot them.
The amount of releases coming out now on digital or vinyl only is quite depressing to me, but I suppose it's saving me a fortune. If it's digital only and I want it, a mate usually gets me it and I burn a CDR.
I do check out stuff on Spotify but it's never quite the same somehow.
To quote that other fella around here 'No CD = No Sale.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Grimsdyke   (Member)

For 'lovers' of B, C or even lower rated horror movies and scores it can be quite boring here !!
Just a few weeks ago one of my all-time guilty pleasures was released:

ALIEN 2 by Guido & Maurizio De Angelis

And I think it was not mentioned here too.

On the other hand some great releases are just not that easy (or ultimately to expensive) to get for people around the world.
There is a Blu-Ray release of STARRY EYES here in Germany which includes a CD of Jonathan Snipes' score which is one of the best horror scores I heard in the last few years !!

Or Le Matos' SUMMER OF '84 ?? Just amazing ...

Maybe it would be an idea to implement sub-forums so that people could better talk about stuff like Euro-Cult, Asia ?? But I think for technical reasons this is not possible but would need a whole new forum software.
But, why not ... it's 2020 now.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 5:13 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I guess I'm just wondering if I'm an obscure minority here in terms of taste, or is it's all to do with format. It’d be a shame either way, because some of these scores are fantastic.

This is a very Goldsmith- and Williams-centric board. Anything outside of these two receives limited traffic.

Also, as others have said, there is a strong anti-vinyl bias on this board.

I happen to love Eurocult and exploitation cinema, and I happen to love vinyl. I will say, though, that I am skeptical of a lot of newer vinyl releases, because they are IMO overpriced, and the quality control is not always there.

Having said all this, I would encourage you to share links to these releases if no one else is posting them. I would like to know what is out there beyond Williams and Goldsmith.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 5:19 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

It sounds like you all (pooter and grimsdyke) are saying the soundtracks are not discussed or announced on FSM. If so, you should start a discussion and announce them yourselves. That's how news travels here. Those labels could also post announcements if they wanted the publicity and discussion. Terrorvision doesn't have sound samples, so maybe they are relying on a cult following rather than creating new fans.
If there are threads about them with few responses, the obvious reasons have been stated (format, taste, exposure). And if people are familiar with the music, the question is "Why does this board ignore releases I like?"

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 7:16 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I'm sure it's a combination of factors, and for each person it's going to be a different combo.

Part of my combo is one factor you didn't mention (but Last Child did): the labels you listed have no presence here. The labels we seem to care about, and talk about, are the ones who coincidentally bother to get personal with their customers.

Who runs Waxworks? Who runs Terrorvision? I don't know them. But I know Intrada recently started doing a podcast for each of their new releases.

As for formats I haven't gotten the impression there's a strong anti-vinyl presence here, in part because before the vinyl comeback the same bias existed for downloads - and that was more passionately expressed! I think as a group we're more pro-CD than anti-anything, and that's certainly due in no small part to the great care in presentation and packaging the labels have given modern releases. And we know they care not only because of the end product, but because they communicate with us.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm sure it's a combination of factors, and for each person it's going to be a different combo.


Yep, some reasons I can think of.

(1) Not familiar with the films or composers.
(2) There's simply more music than I can get around to sampling.
(3) As modern day films and music interest me less and less I'm exposed to less and less.
(4) Limited funds. I tend to buy what I know I'll like.
(5) Lack of publicity by some independent labels.
(6) Lack of obscure score threads by board members.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 7:38 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Bring up want you're interested in. I do. Sometimes the response is not much, but sometimes you get surprised by members who have opinions on the matter.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

So many great threads seem like personal blog posts because of how they're routinely ignored, but I admire those here who post enthusiastically about scores--and non-score topics--that interest them--even when they're topics outside my realm of interest. Still, I often read them with admiration, for those who express themselves do so eloquently and passionately.

Many times I am flummoxed by the absence of FSMers who fail to comment on topics seemingly perfect for them, but it happens all the time around here. I am often pleasantly surprised by non-regular FSMers who comment positively on topics or posts I've made.

People are reading, so keep on posting what interests you; the enthusiasm is infectious.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 11:46 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)


This is a very Goldsmith- and Williams-centric board. Anything outside of these two receives limited traffic.

I would like to know what is out there beyond Williams and Goldsmith.



Exactly!

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 12:29 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

John Williams in particular is a wearyng topic here. There's only so much twinkly, childhood-related junk a fellow can endure.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

John Williams in particular is a wearyng topic here. There's only so much twinkly, childhood-related junk a fellow can endure.

Nonsense, there's hardly any threads on the classical guitarist.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 12:38 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

John Williams in particular is a wearyng topic here. There's only so much twinkly, childhood-related junk a fellow can endure.

Nonsense, there's hardly any threads on the classical guitarist.


Sony assures me that they are the same person.

BTW, my remark about Williams stems not from anything related to his incredible talent, but from the sheer number of less-than-mature films he scores. I wish he had done far fewer Spielberg, Star Wars, and Lucas projects and instead composed scores for films with subjects I would have preferred to see. It's strictly a personal taste issue, and nothing to do with Williams as an artist.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Maybe people aren't talking about it because most of us have no idea what "The Brain" is or who scored it.


And maybe most of us aren't talking about the various scores Valdimir Horunzy put out because there really isn't anything to talk about (sorry, but I have yet to hear anything by him worth hearing!).


EDIT:
Just in the last month or two I commented into two threads about two new scores worth noting, and I don't see pooter in either of them, so...

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 12:53 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

BTW, my remark about Williams stems not from anything related to his incredible talent, but from the sheer number of less-than-mature films he scores. I wish he had done far fewer Spielberg, Star Wars, and Lucas projects and instead composed scores for films with subjects I would have preferred to see. It's strictly a personal taste issue, and nothing to do with Williams as an artist.


It might be one of those things where Williams' manager says to him, "Do one (or 10) for the studios, then you can do one for yourself".
I guess that would probably explain an anomaly like "Images" (even though that score certainly has its share of cheese).

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 1:09 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

Well, pooter, I'm glad you posted about The Brain, because I didn't know about it, and I'll give it a listen on Bandcamp when it's released.

I'm always interested in things, but I mostly post when I have something particular to share, and often I don't. I think views are a better indication of interest than posts. Sometimes there's not that much to say except maybe, hmm, might check that out.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Please understand me here

"This board" is you, it is what you make it. If you don't mention it, if you don't talk about it, it won't happen. That's why.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2020 - 4:57 PM   
 By:   kam   (Member)

I'm sure it's a combination of factors, and for each person it's going to be a different combo.


Yep, some reasons I can think of.

(1) Not familiar with the films or composers.
(2) There's simply more music than I can get around to sampling.
(3) As modern day films and music interest me less and less I'm exposed to less and less.
(4) Limited funds. I tend to buy what I know I'll like.
(5) Lack of publicity by some independent labels.
(6) Lack of obscure score threads by board members.


(7) Even if something sounds interesting the high shipping cost + 1.35x multiplier exchange rate is often a dealbreaker for me

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2020 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Since he was brought up, the guitarist John Williams does deserve a thread. Aside from his classical recordings--and those range from baroque to lots of 20th Century composers (a champion of new works) he has performed extensively in films by composers Myers, Gowers, Doyle, etc. He was interviewed by a fine fellow (okay, it was me) for Soundtrack magazine, specifically about his film work--he even wrote a film score.

 
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