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Yeah, I thought his responses were fine.
Honestly, I just love the Batman character so much, I am always happy to see him get a new film. He's changed so many times since 1939, I am open to any interpretation. And I'll take an actual Batman film over a "Batman but not" version on TV.
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It's interesting that there are those artists who respond to critics or reviewers. I would honestly never do that. I know there are actors who say they never watch their own movies and directors who say they would never read their own reviews, and I know exactly what they mean and how they feel. I would not either.
If I were a film composer, the last thing I'd do is read up reviews of film score sites or newspapers or whatever. I would not want to hear about it. Sure, if some fan came up and says "great, I love your work, can you sign my CD" I'd be happy and do it, but that's about it. I would have no intention at all reading reviews about my own stuff, I would be worried that they could influence me, or that I would think about reviews when writing stuff (screenplays, books, music, doesn't matter).
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Mar 1, 2022 - 11:12 AM
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Jay_Zario
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Yeah people don't understand the difference between opinion and fact anymore. Someone replied to Hans Zimmer's posting of the new 007 song with "worst Bond song ever." I don't think people realize that they can have an opinion while simultaneously keeping it to themselves...
You don't have to like everything. And you also don't have to be rude to people who like it, or even worse, people who CREATED it.
I get where you're coming from, but the internet (for better or for worse) is essentially just a place where people share unsolicited opinions. That is not in any way an excuse to be rude, quite on the contrary, sharing differing opinions politely creates a healthy and informative discussion.
I remember early on in the pandemic when Giacchino dropped the first teaser of his theme for The Batman. Some time after that he did a live stream taking questions on Twitter. I asked him 2 questions that bothered me at the time;
1) Does he understand why I hear The Imperial March & was it an inspiration?
2) It sounds like what we heard is a vamp for some bigger theme, is there one?
(He never got around to answering them, for what it's worth.)
Those questions could have been strongly worded as me being upset and annoyed with the lack of anything melodic and accusations of plagiarism (two things that were on my mind). But the truth is I understood that if I phrased it in a negative way, he wouldn't have any interest in a discussion. A discussion I still really want someone to have with him.
Sharing opinions is a good thing, but, yeah, "worst Bond song ever" is not a kind or productive way of communicating with a songwriter, composer, etc.
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Mar 1, 2022 - 12:57 PM
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Solium
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Yeah people don't understand the difference between opinion and fact anymore. Someone replied to Hans Zimmer's posting of the new 007 song with "worst Bond song ever." I don't think people realize that they can have an opinion while simultaneously keeping it to themselves...
You don't have to like everything. And you also don't have to be rude to people who like it, or even worse, people who CREATED it.
I get where you're coming from, but the internet (for better or for worse) is essentially just a place where people share unsolicited opinions. That is not in any way an excuse to be rude, quite on the contrary, sharing differing opinions politely creates a healthy and informative discussion.
I remember early on in the pandemic when Giacchino dropped the first teaser of his theme for The Batman. Some time after that he did a live stream taking questions on Twitter. I asked him 2 questions that bothered me at the time;
1) Does he understand why I hear The Imperial March & was it an inspiration?
2) It sounds like what we heard is a vamp for some bigger theme, is there one?
(He never got around to answering them, for what it's worth.)
Those questions could have been strongly worded as me being upset and annoyed with the lack of anything melodic and accusations of plagiarism (two things that were on my mind). But the truth is I understood that if I phrased it in a negative way, he wouldn't have any interest in a discussion. A discussion I still really want someone to have with him.
Sharing opinions is a good thing, but, yeah, "worst Bond song ever" is not a kind or productive way of communicating with a songwriter, composer, etc.
The fact he didnt reply is rather telling.
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Mar 1, 2022 - 2:37 PM
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TheAvenger
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Yeah people don't understand the difference between opinion and fact anymore. Someone replied to Hans Zimmer's posting of the new 007 song with "worst Bond song ever." I don't think people realize that they can have an opinion while simultaneously keeping it to themselves...
I respectfully disagree, and here’s why (and yes I appreciate the irony of that!):
Firstly, if it is acceptable for “professional” critics to be able to make negative comments in their reviews, then why not amateurs? The vast majority of critics - be they movie, theatre, restaurant, art or whatever - have no professional experience in the field they are writing about and yet are entitled to say whatever they want just because if their credentials. And in this day and age it really doesn’t take much to be recognised as a “professional” critic - before his fall from Grace for being outed as a sex pest, Harry Knowles made a career out of it despite being barely literate.
Secondly, let’s not forget that topline talent behind movies - including the likes of Giacchino- are obscenely over-rewarded for their work. If the price of that includes a little abuse of social media, well sorry, I have no sympathy. They don’t HAVE to read things on social media and instead could just sit their quaffing champagne and scoffing caviar whilst sitting in their pools looking over Beverley Hills.
People leap to the defence of poor sensitive millionaire celebrities who are exposed to a bit of negativity about their work. But rarely do social media comments from the average Joe on the street have any impact on that celebrity’s career or earning potential. However if you have your house painted by someone who you feel has done a bad job, or dine out where you feel the service or food is bad, it’s perfectly acceptable to slate those concerned on the likes of Tripadvisor or Trustpilot and that CAN affect someone’s livelihood and career.
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And then there was Zimmer, personally seeking out bloggers that he did not care for and trying to end their career.
I don't think Hans Zimmer tried to "end their career". Hey, if one criticizes an artist, the artist is perfectly within his rights to strike back and criticize the reviewer.
I've read people say much worse things about composers here on this forum than anything said blogger or Zimmer said to each other.
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Yeah people don't understand the difference between opinion and fact anymore. Someone replied to Hans Zimmer's posting of the new 007 song with "worst Bond song ever." I don't think people realize that they can have an opinion while simultaneously keeping it to themselves...
I respectfully disagree, and here’s why (and yes I appreciate the irony of that!):
Firstly, if it is acceptable for “professional” critics to be able to make negative comments in their reviews, then why not amateurs.
I think anybody is entitled to their opinion about art, professional critics or just "amateurs", and also anybody is entitled to voice their opinion, to share their opinion, to write it down.
However, you still have to consider when and how you voice their opinion. It's one thing to write a review about a film score you hate (in a newspaper, on your FB post, here in this forum, or wherever) or going to the composer and telling him personally. Especially in such an "unqualified" way as "worst Bond song ever". The latter just leaves you open for a smacking, and rightfully so. I'd go full-out "Harlan Ellison" on someone like that. (Or I'd ignore that person completely... depends on how I'd feel. :-) )
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