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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1      General Discussion: John Williams The Reluctant Stowaway Lost in Space   Last Post   Posted:   Mar 23, 2020 - 8:27 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) I much prefer the hi-fi re-recording by Lionel Newman to the surviving stem from the actual episode. I went through the box set booklet to compare track titles and timings. Most are nearly identical, but there are some discrepancies. First of all, the following cues seem to be absent from the re-record: Judo Chop On the Pad The Good Doctor Robot Play-On/Doctor and Boy Message for President Beyond this, I assume that the track titled "Defrosting/Log Book" on the episode is the same as "Defrosting" on the re-record, considering the timing. I should note here that I won't have access to a computer for a few weeks, so I cannot conveniently do comparisons with my existing setup. Can the five missing cues simply be added to the re-record, or is it more complex than that? Thanks in advance.    Posted:   Mar 23, 2020 - 11:39 AM     By:   L. Decima Vittima   (Member) "Judo Chop" and "On The Pad" are included as part of track 2 on the old GNP release. My understanding is that this track is entirely sourced from the Lionel Newman re-recordings made in August of 1966. So, if I have that right, and you've got a copy of the GNP disc, you could fill in those two cues from there.    Posted:   Mar 23, 2020 - 12:05 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) "Judo Chop" and "On The Pad" are included as part of track 2 on the old GNP release. My understanding is that this track is entirely sourced from the Lionel Newman re-recordings made in August of 1966. So, if I have that right, and you've got a copy of the GNP disc, you could fill in those two cues from there. Good to know. Thanks!    Posted:   Mar 23, 2020 - 12:06 PM     By:   L. Decima Vittima   (Member) "Judo Chop" and "On The Pad" are included as part of track 2 on the old GNP release. I just gave the GNP track 2 a listen, and I don't think "Judo Chop" is part of it, despite what the track listing says.    Posted:   Mar 23, 2020 - 1:09 PM     By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member) I'm giving the GNP set a nostalgic listen though. As much as I agree, the sound quality is much much better than the stems, a few of the cues truly grate on me thanks to the much slower tempo. They just feel off. I remember how disappointed I was when I heard them back in 1995 or 96. The LLL crew did amazing work on the stems to get them as good as they are and I always prefer my scores to sound like they did when I fell in love with them. Same with the Fanderson Space:1999 year two sets. I always go to the mono versions of the cues rather than the stereo. But, we have the choices, so it's great.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 10:08 AM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) "Judo Chop" and "On The Pad" are included as part of track 2 on the old GNP release. I just gave the GNP track 2 a listen, and I don't think "Judo Chop" is part of it, despite what the track listing says. So is there any Reluctant Stowaway music on the GNP disc that is not a part of the box set library version? And if so, where did the missing music come from?    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 2:12 PM     By:   Joe 1956   (Member) No. ------------------------------------- For the record, the only completely original cues of Stowaway on the GNP box are: 03 - Escape Velocity - Robot Control - Meteor Storm - **Defrosting** The track title is erroneous, because the "Defrosting" cue isn't included. Plus the last segment, approx 6:52, the part where Don is about to switch off the artificial gravity, (a prelude to The Weightless Waltz) isn't original. Track 5 - the end of the spacewalk, the "To Be Continued" segment, is "original" but it's actually taken from the end of The Hungry Sea, where Hapgood's ship appears on the radar.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 3:33 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) No. ------------------------------------- For the record, the only completely original cues of Stowaway on the GNP box are: 03 - Escape Velocity - Robot Control - Meteor Storm - **Defrosting** The track title is erroneous, because the "Defrosting" cue isn't included. Plus the last segment, approx 6:52, the part where Don is about to switch off the artificial gravity, (a prelude to The Weightless Waltz) isn't original. Track 5 - the end of the spacewalk, the "To Be Continued" segment, is "original" but it's actually taken from the end of The Hungry Sea, where Hapgood's ship appears on the radar. Thanks! So was the same piece of "To Be Continued" music used for both episodes, and GNP just took the better-sounding version? Or did GNP use the wrong track?    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 4:26 PM     By:   Joe 1956   (Member) The same was used for both, on the GNP box. "Strange Visitor" is slightly chopped. The "To Be Continued" music (as first broadcast) of Stowaway and Strange Visitor are two different cues, as accurately presented in the 50th box.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 4:41 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) The same was used for both, on the GNP box. "Strange Visitor" is slightly chopped. The "To Be Continued" music (as first broadcast) of Stowaway and Strange Visitor are two different cues, as accurately presented in the 50th box. Thanks. So to clarify, the "To Be Continued" from "The Hungry Sea" is a different piece of music altogether?    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 4:45 PM     By:   Joe 1956   (Member) Yes. Reused twice on the GNP box.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 5:10 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) Yes. Reused twice on the GNP box. Thank you! Apologies for the annoying questions, but to clarify: All of the re-recorded library versions of "Reluctant Stowaway" music appear on the complete LIS box set, correct? In other words, I don't need to grab any segments from the GNP Crescendo disc? I should add here that I love that first GNP disc with the three Williams scores. It was a real treat to finally get this music after many decades.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 6:04 PM     By:   Joe 1956   (Member) I can't personally answer that. When the 50th box came out I never again touched the GNP set, except for the sound effects portion. I loathe the un-originals. Felt ripped off, actually. If memory serves, others have mentioned here that not all of the re-recordings are on the 50th box. EDIT: Even though it's sonically imperfect, I think they did yeoman's work on Stowaway for the 50th box, and especially after 50 years. We're lucky to have any of it.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 6:16 PM     By:   OnyaBirri   (Member) I can't personally answer that. When the 50th box came out I never again touched the GNP set, except for the sound effects portion. I loathe the un-originals. Felt ripped off, actually. If memory serves, others have mentioned here that not all of the re-recordings are on the 50th box. EDIT: Even though it's sonically imperfect, I think they did yeoman's work on Stowaway for the 50th box, and especially after 50 years. We're lucky to have any of it. You really loathe the re-recordings? I prefer them for the better sonics. From a performance perspective, I do hear differences, but they are not enough to bother me.    Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 6:37 PM     By:   Joe 1956   (Member) Well, I was there at the very beginning, and it was further ingrained during syndication. I have an audio program that can speed up those tracks but keep the pitch, and they're on average 10 to 12 percent slow!!! That show quickly degraded into schizophrenia, but the music was always this inner 9 year old's holy grail (never mind the Aurora model that never appeared). "WTF is this?!" I thought on hearing the first few seconds. No mention whatsoever in the liner notes about any of it, as if they said "we got your money, so &*$# you!" But anywho, the 50th box made me a happy camper.     General Discussion: John Williams The Reluctant Stowaway Lost in Space    < 1  >   Go to page:  1   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1

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