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Apr 6, 2020 - 11:07 AM
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MONDAY, APRIL 6
THE WALKING DEAD---trailer released for the return of Lauren Cohan.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhh1xXfJ9G4
WESTWORLD---trailer released for the next episode.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnsT5k8cV_0
FREE GUY---trailer released for the comedy movie starring Ryan Reynolds.
LINK: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2m-08cOAbc
INDIANA JONES 5---James Mangold (FORD v FERRARI) is in negotiations to direct the sequel. The premiere has been changed from July 9, 2021 to July 29, 2022.
ANT-MAN 3---Jeff Loveness (RICK AND MORTY) will write the sequel.
BIRDS OF PREY (AND THE FANTABULOUS EMANCIPATION OF ONE HARLEY QUINN)---director Cathy Yan commented on the box office disappointment, “That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."
Yan said if there is a sequel, she wants it to include a lesbian relationship between Harley and Poison Ivy, "I would love to see Poison Ivy and I would certainly love to see the relationship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.”
BATMAN BEGINS---Michael Caine talked first meeting Christopher Nolan for BATMAN BEGINS which began his long association with Nolan, “He came to the front door of my house in the country with a script. I could see him through the glass but I couldn’t recognize him. The moment he introduced himself, I knew exactly who he was because I was a great fan of his three small films.
I told him, ‘I am too old for Batman. Do you want me to play the butler? What would my dialogues be? Would you like another beverage or more custard?’ So, I did the movie and it was one of the greatest things I have done in my life."
TRIVIA---More James Bond movie trivia.
THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS was Timothy Dalton's first movie playing James Bond. Walter Gotell returned as retired KGB Gen. Gogol.
Dalton and Gotell also appeared in the TALES FROM THE CRYPT episode "Werewolf Concerto" with Dalton playing Lokai, and Gotell playing Mr. Hertz.
THE LIVING DAYLIGHTS was Timothy Dalton's first movie playing James Bond. Walter Gotell returned as retired KGB Gen. Gogol.
Dalton and Gotell also appeared in the TALES FROM THE CRYPT episode "Werewolf Concerto" with Dalton playing Lokai, and Gotell playing Mr. Hertz.
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Apr 6, 2020 - 11:46 AM
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Xebec
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BIRDS OF PREY (AND THE FANTABULOUS EMANCIPATION OF ONE HARLEY QUINN)---director Cathy Yan commented on the box office disappointment, “That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."
Yan said if there is a sequel, she wants it to include a lesbian relationship between Harley and Poison Ivy, "I would love to see Poison Ivy and I would certainly love to see the relationship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.”
I think most people reacted to this film without knowing she's not white, and that it really didn't matter. Also that she's a woman. Doesn't matter. The film is shite because it has a bad script and looks terrible. That matters. She's only partly at fault. It has nothing to do with her sex or race. They made a bad film based on a character with zero depth.
The pressure she's referring to must be from producers then or the industry? But isn't Hollywood filled with understanding, progressive people? That's odd. That couldn't be.
And then wanting to see a lesbian relationship, not because it might come from established character or be the basis of an interesting story - just because. That'll buy her some points somewhere.
Just make better films. Or stop altogether. Either way, the viewer wins.
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Actually, with a budget of reportedly $84.5 million, BIRDS OF PREY looks to have made a small profit of 30 million with a worldwide take of $201+ million. (I'd say there's other stuff that's "shite" around here.)
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Apr 6, 2020 - 8:19 PM
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Solium
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BIRDS OF PREY (AND THE FANTABULOUS EMANCIPATION OF ONE HARLEY QUINN)---director Cathy Yan commented on the box office disappointment, “That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."
Yan said if there is a sequel, she wants it to include a lesbian relationship between Harley and Poison Ivy, "I would love to see Poison Ivy and I would certainly love to see the relationship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.”
I think most people reacted to this film without knowing she's not white, and that it really didn't matter. Also that she's a woman. Doesn't matter. The film is shite because it has a bad script and looks terrible. That matters. She's only partly at fault. It has nothing to do with her sex or race. They made a bad film based on a character with zero depth.
The pressure she's referring to must be from producers then or the industry? But isn't Hollywood filled with understanding, progressive people? That's odd. That couldn't be.
And then wanting to see a lesbian relationship, not because it might come from established character or be the basis of an interesting story - just because. That'll buy her some points somewhere.
Just make better films. Or stop altogether. Either way, the viewer wins.
These people are lunatics and insufferable. From the "everyone gets a participation award/everyone is a victim" generation. I couldn't care less the race, sex, sexual preference of the director. If you make a good movie I'll like it, if not I won't. Most people don't even know who the directors are. Hell I saw Wonder Woman and loved it. I had no idea a woman directed it until after the fact.
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Apr 7, 2020 - 1:59 PM
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It has nothing to do with her sex or race. They made a bad film based on a character with zero depth.
I agree with you, Xebec. Just watching the trailer alienated me, and I had no desire to see this film. Cathy Yan is just whining or making excuses.
But here is what I do find interesting. Latest count of female directors shows that 10.6% of the top 100 grossing films made in 2019 were directed by females. That means 89.4 % of the top grossing movie were directed by men, so their jobs are still pretty safe.
Yet, based upon what dragon53 has posted here, Elizabeth Banks, director of Charlies Angels, and Cathy Yan, director of Birds Of Prey, have been sought out by interviewers who wanted to know what they thought about the fact that their movies flopped. Did those same interviewers seek out Ang Lee, director of Gemini Man, and ask him why his movie that cost 138 million only made between 48 and 49 million in the U.S.A.? (It did take more than the initial budget world-wide.) Ed Norton made Motherless Brooklyn for 26 million. It barely made more than 9 million in the U.S.A and made only 18.5 million world-wide. Was Norton asked why his movie flopped? Maybe some male directors were asked why their movies flopped, but I haven’t seen those interviews. Just food for thought. (I actually liked a lot of Norton’s movie.)
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Apr 7, 2020 - 2:11 PM
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Xebec
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It has nothing to do with her sex or race. They made a bad film based on a character with zero depth.
I agree with you, Xebec. Just watching the trailer alienated me, and I had no desire to see this film. Cathy Yan is just whining or making excuses.
But here is what I do find interesting. Latest count of female directors shows that 10.6% of the top 100 grossing films made in 2019 were directed by females. That means 89.4 % of the top grossing movie were directed by men, so their jobs are still pretty safe.
Yet, based upon what dragon53 has posted here, Elizabeth Banks, director of Charlies Angels, and Cathy Yan, director of Birds Of Prey, have been sought out by interviewers who wanted to know what they thought about the fact that their movies flopped. Did those same interviewers seek out Ang Lee, director of Gemini Man, and ask him why his movie that cost 138 million only made between 48 and 49 million in the U.S.A.? (It did take more than the initial budget world-wide.) Ed Norton made Motherless Brooklyn for 26 million. It barely made more than 9 million in the U.S.A and made only 18.5 million world-wide. Was Norton asked why his movie flopped? Maybe some male directors were asked why their movies flopped, but I haven’t seen those interviews. Just food for thought. (I actually liked a lot of Norton’s movie.)
When you look at the garbage blokes in Hollywood churn out I don't think they do too often in interviews, though I don't really look for them.
It's a shame that I did find Charlie's angels and birds of prey to be rubbish. I don't think they put enough into scripts so regardless of who directs there isn't a chance. Though I didn't like the direction in either. They were still bette than the last few Star Wars, alien films and Michael bay films by miles.
There's a lot of great tv series written and directed by women, and then talents like Greta Gerwig and others in film. I think this modern day reaction that if your film bombs it's because of men or mysoginists or racists is wrong and Unproductive. Especially when no women like your films either. At the same time no one should think they were a bad director because they were a woman.
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It has nothing to do with her sex or race. They made a bad film based on a character with zero depth.
I agree with you, Xebec. Just watching the trailer alienated me, and I had no desire to see this film. Cathy Yan is just whining or making excuses.
But here is what I do find interesting. Latest count of female directors shows that 10.6% of the top 100 grossing films made in 2019 were directed by females. That means 89.4 % of the top grossing movie were directed by men, so their jobs are still pretty safe.
Yet, based upon what dragon53 has posted here, Elizabeth Banks, director of Charlies Angels, and Cathy Yan, director of Birds Of Prey, have been sought out by interviewers who wanted to know what they thought about the fact that their movies flopped. Did those same interviewers seek out Ang Lee, director of Gemini Man, and ask him why his movie that cost 138 million only made between 48 and 49 million in the U.S.A.? (It did take more than the initial budget world-wide.) Ed Norton made Motherless Brooklyn for 26 million. It barely made more than 9 million in the U.S.A and made only 18.5 million world-wide. Was Norton asked why his movie flopped? Maybe some male directors were asked why their movies flopped, but I haven’t seen those interviews. Just food for thought. (I actually liked a lot of Norton’s movie.)
You make some interesting points Joan, and I don't know what the right answer is. I will note that both Charlie's Angels and Birds of Prey (I am not going to write out the entire title) are both tentpole films that were heavily advertised, and had high expectations to bring in huge box office revenues. For better or worse, those films are almost always going to get the most attention. In fact the films that fail spectacularly seem to get a higher amount of attention post-release than the successful films. I suspect one of the reasons Ben Affleck gave up being Batman was after Justice League came out he was promoting a smaller budgeted film he had directed, and the only thing the press seemed to want to ask him about was the Batman solo film he was attached to. It isn't too surprising that Elizabeth Banks got a lot of questions, as she spends time both in front of and behind the camera, and the press tends to want to talk to actors more than just about anyone else involved in a film. With respect to Cathy Yan and Ang Lee, Cathy Yan is still establishing herself as a filmmaker, Birds of Prey is only her second film, so is probably more willing to do interviews, because to a certain extent, any press is good press. Ang Lee, on the other hand has a long and varied career and likely the clout to not do interviews when he doesn't feel like it.
I can honestly say I had never heard of Motherless Brooklyn until you mentioned it. I enjoy Ed Norton's acting, but I didn't realize he also directed. Not that I am a barometer of what people are interested in, but I suspect Norton would be happy to have the chance to promote the film, even if the question is why the film failed to perform at the box office.
As more women get directing opportunities, and the percentage of female directors to green lit projects becomes more representative, it will be interesting to see if there is a double standard based on the gender of the director. I hope that won't be the case and that people judge the work on its own merits.
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BIRDS OF PREY (AND THE FANTABULOUS EMANCIPATION OF ONE HARLEY QUINN)---director Cathy Yan commented on the box office disappointment, “That was an extra burden that, as a woman-of-color director, I already had on me anyway. So, yes, I think there were certainly different ways you could interpret the success or lack of success of the movie, and everyone has a right to do that. But, I definitely do feel that everyone was pretty quick to jump on a certain angle."
Yan said if there is a sequel, she wants it to include a lesbian relationship between Harley and Poison Ivy, "I would love to see Poison Ivy and I would certainly love to see the relationship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.”
And then wanting to see a lesbian relationship, not because it might come from established character or be the basis of an interesting story - just because. That'll buy her some points somewhere.
Just make better films. Or stop altogether. Either way, the viewer wins.
For what it is worth Xebec, in the comics and other adaptations of the material, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have had a longstanding association that is often platonic, but has been hinted at being more. After teasing for years, the comics finally did make it clear that Harley and Ivy are in a sexual relationship, although "relationship" is a bit of a stretch considering how unstable Harley can be. Probably the best way to describe it is the two have an open relationship. Point is, Cathy Yan didn't just come up with the idea on her own.
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Apr 8, 2020 - 12:26 PM
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Xebec
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Yan said if there is a sequel, she wants it to include a lesbian relationship between Harley and Poison Ivy, "I would love to see Poison Ivy and I would certainly love to see the relationship between Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy.”
And then wanting to see a lesbian relationship, not because it might come from established character or be the basis of an interesting story - just because. That'll buy her some points somewhere.
Just make better films. Or stop altogether. Either way, the viewer wins.
For what it is worth Xebec, in the comics and other adaptations of the material, Harley Quinn and Poison Ivy have had a longstanding association that is often platonic, but has been hinted at being more. After teasing for years, the comics finally did make it clear that Harley and Ivy are in a sexual relationship, although "relationship" is a bit of a stretch considering how unstable Harley can be. Probably the best way to describe it is the two have an open relationship. Point is, Cathy Yan didn't just come up with the idea on her own.
Ah, right, thanks for that. Having not read a Bats comic in decades, I did wonder if i'd missed something, especially the way characters just change over the years - and mentioning Poison Ivy did seem oddly specific. If it comes from an honest place, then I have no problem with it. If they make another, they definitely need a better script (like 90% of films.)
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Apr 9, 2020 - 7:04 AM
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Solium
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It has nothing to do with her sex or race. They made a bad film based on a character with zero depth.
I agree with you, Xebec. Just watching the trailer alienated me, and I had no desire to see this film. Cathy Yan is just whining or making excuses.
But here is what I do find interesting. Latest count of female directors shows that 10.6% of the top 100 grossing films made in 2019 were directed by females. That means 89.4 % of the top grossing movie were directed by men, so their jobs are still pretty safe.
Yet, based upon what dragon53 has posted here, Elizabeth Banks, director of Charlies Angels, and Cathy Yan, director of Birds Of Prey, have been sought out by interviewers who wanted to know what they thought about the fact that their movies flopped. Did those same interviewers seek out Ang Lee, director of Gemini Man, and ask him why his movie that cost 138 million only made between 48 and 49 million in the U.S.A.? (It did take more than the initial budget world-wide.) Ed Norton made Motherless Brooklyn for 26 million. It barely made more than 9 million in the U.S.A and made only 18.5 million world-wide. Was Norton asked why his movie flopped? Maybe some male directors were asked why their movies flopped, but I haven’t seen those interviews. Just food for thought. (I actually liked a lot of Norton’s movie.)
You make some interesting points Joan, and I don't know what the right answer is. I will note that both Charlie's Angels and Birds of Prey (I am not going to write out the entire title) are both tentpole films that were heavily advertised, and had high expectations to bring in huge box office revenues. For better or worse, those films are almost always going to get the most attention. In fact the films that fail spectacularly seem to get a higher amount of attention post-release than the successful films. I suspect one of the reasons Ben Affleck gave up being Batman was after Justice League came out he was promoting a smaller budgeted film he had directed, and the only thing the press seemed to want to ask him about was the Batman solo film he was attached to. It isn't too surprising that Elizabeth Banks got a lot of questions, as she spends time both in front of and behind the camera, and the press tends to want to talk to actors more than just about anyone else involved in a film. With respect to Cathy Yan and Ang Lee, Cathy Yan is still establishing herself as a filmmaker, Birds of Prey is only her second film, so is probably more willing to do interviews, because to a certain extent, any press is good press. Ang Lee, on the other hand has a long and varied career and likely the clout to not do interviews when he doesn't feel like it.
I can honestly say I had never heard of Motherless Brooklyn until you mentioned it. I enjoy Ed Norton's acting, but I didn't realize he also directed. Not that I am a barometer of what people are interested in, but I suspect Norton would be happy to have the chance to promote the film, even if the question is why the film failed to perform at the box office.
As more women get directing opportunities, and the percentage of female directors to green lit projects becomes more representative, it will be interesting to see if there is a double standard based on the gender of the director. I hope that won't be the case and that people judge the work on its own merits.
I know plenty of instances where big time directors and stars were asked why their films failed. Its hardly lobbed against female directors only. And woman like Patty Jenkins was celebrated for her success with Wonder Woman. Another reason why these particular movies might have been put to task is because of their avert hostility towards a certain sex even in the advertising and promotion of said films. I've never seen a director or actor say, this film wasn't made for women, or this film is so macho its going to scare the sh*t out of women.
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