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 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

...a double-LP release?

Yes, JW was a big name, having won an Oscar and enjoyed popular radioplay for the main title* of same.

But THE STAR WARS was a punky science fiction** film. It was expected to be eclipsed by Fox's fatuous, money-spinning film of a fatuous, money-spinning novel***, "The Other Side of Midnight."

Also, the "drooling teenboy" market did not exist as a marketing tool, until THE STAR WARS unleashed it. And while there had been 2-disc soundtrack releases, they were not many.

Since these things have to be planned, I'm guessing that it was mapped out as a 2-LP release well in advance of its jaw-dropping b.o. success.

Has anyone read/heard anywhere why Lucas and/or Fox went the whole magilla with this one?

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 5:03 PM   
 By:   Sir David of Garland   (Member)

*If you can believe it, a freaking dramatic sequence of a film, no lyrics, played on popular radio!
**In 1977, this term would bring eyerolls of derision.
***To borrow a phrase from someone more clever than I.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 6:41 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

THE STAR WAR world conquest was years in the planning. It was begun by a secret group of hashinen thugees (thus the use of the name "Kenobi," part of the plot to mentally drug/brainwash the yout' of the world) and other mind-control government outfits. (Probably the Illuminati too.) What, you thought this was merely a whim of George Lucas? That American Graffiti guy?

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 7:05 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I have absolutely no facts to back this up--it's just a general impression.

Compared to the promo budget needed to help a movie be a success, the budget of a successful album would likely be far lower.
Albums are easier that way--just send out oodles of posters and make sure record stores had plenty of stock.
Fox was probably betting on album sales to help get their investment back, for the relatively low added cost of a 2nd LP.
In some ways I think that the soundtrack itself was fantastic promotion for the movie.
The airplay of the single sure didn't hurt, either--nor did the additional prestige of The LSO's name.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 7:21 PM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

On one of the docos I seem to recall Andre Previn turned up exhibiting a certain amount of interest at the recording studio when the score was unfolding. It seems JWs Wagnerian music for the picture had created something of a stir amongst the literati of the music world and I'm guessing that big and great things were expected of it from those in the know.

Edit: Alan Ladd Jnr?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 7:25 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)


Has anyone read/heard anywhere why Lucas and/or Fox went the whole magilla with this one?


I've never read or heard of such, so Zardoz shouldn't Speak … but I shall. smile

Even prior to the 1970s, some 'planned' LP programs never materialized. I believe North's Spartacus was planned to be a double-LP but what emerged was a gatefold single LP.
I expect that the music industry, the studios, artists' agencies, record producers, etc. all 'pushed' to have their music programs presented in as comprehensive as possible editions … only to subsequently have budgets, marketing analysis, accounting departments, etc. scale down (or cancel altogether) the intended material.
Regarding the 1977 Star Wars double-LP on 20th Century Fox records, perhaps the constellation of factors were all in alignment and the 2 discs 'happened' because no one objected to its issuance or reduced the content to 'fit' onto one LP.

Two such factors, in my opinion, were Dolby Stereo and the 'organized' orchestra.
1964 is sometimes considered as the 'end' of Golden Age Hollywood studio film scoring and by 1977 the timing felt ripe to revisit the symphonic sound in Dolby Stereo.
Remember that only 10 years previous, the record-buying public still contended with mono sound elements being electronically channeled to simulate stereo.

The London Symphony Orchestra may have been the bigger 'draw' here than the name of John Williams.

Recall, also, that numerous composers were disenchanted with Los Angeles engineers who, during the mid-1970s, recorded film music in 3 monaural channels instead of a true stereo spread.
Compound this with expensive musician unions' re-use fees and lower costs recording abroad.
All these factors led to a late-'70s trend of reconfiguring film music into music for album purposes and to be re-recorded in England.

Science-Fiction may not have been much of a factor to green-light a 2-LP production, but Star Wars was a spearhead in associating symphonic music with science-fiction.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I've often wondered this myself. It's well-known Fox assumed that Star Wars was going to tank. Why they thought that issuing a soundtrack -- let alone a more costly double LP set -- was a good commercial move has always mystified me.

If I may add my own speculation -- the original Star Wars LP credits George Lucas as album producer. Well, it was Williams who actually put the album together, and Lionel Newman was the actual session producer. I wonder if it was George Lucas who put up some (or all) of the money to finance the album, and the "Produced by" credit was a way of acknowledging that.

The bigger question is why Star Wars got a 2-record set (when it was expected to bomb) but Return of the Jedi -- a guaranteed hit -- only got one disc. confused

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 9:08 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

Zardoz’s and Paul’s thoughts seem pretty perceptive to me and would be a rationale for the double album that a lot of us literally had as our guide to film music, the galaxy far, far away, and the symphony orchestra. It’s still a great listen and weaves a self-contained story arc much like the film successfully did. I wonder how much Lucasfilm publicist, Charles Lippincott, influenced this too. It certainly seems like he was assiduous at finding an audience to generate buzz about the film.

Chris

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 9:14 PM   
 By:   Morricone   (Member)

JAWS sold an unusually large amounts of LPs for a totally a background score without the benefit of a hit song.

As mentioned above having it played by the London Symphony Orchestra made it an event and added the possibility of classical crossover sales.

There is so much music the amount it would have been pared down to would have bordered on criminal but only IF the film was successful.

Twentieth Century Fox Records was on the brink of folding so this was a bold move which, while not saving the label, put off it's demise for quite a few years.

 
 Posted:   Apr 24, 2020 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

How did it rate a double LP??? BECAUSE IT WAS THE GREATEST THING EVER IN 1977!!!

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 4:14 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)

Where's that film footage of those seemingly limitless 2-LP sets being churned out of the factory?

Remember that?

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 6:10 AM   
 By:   SpaceMind   (Member)

Where's that film footage of those seemingly limitless 2-LP sets being churned out of the factory?

Remember that?


I believe that was in the "From Star Wars to Jedi" documentary/making of video. Probably has been used elsewhere to but I am pretty sure that was the first time I saw it.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 6:16 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Where's that film footage of those seemingly limitless 2-LP sets being churned out of the factory?

Remember that?


There was a 5-7 second clip of the factory putting the LPs on a conveyor belt with William Conrad narration...."The music. by John Williams, is part of that phenomenon".

From The Making of Star Wars.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

I wonder how "Jaws" would have fared as a double-LP.
Theoretically, that could have been the game-changer.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 10:37 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Was it the first 2LP soundtrack album (of original score material)?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   tiomkinfan   (Member)

As far as I can tell, Elmer Bernstein's original score to the Ten Commandments marked the first time a soundtrack album was two discs.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 10:54 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Was it the first 2LP soundtrack album (of original score material)?


The very first was probably The Ten Commandments, as tiomkinfan said.

2LP soundtrack albums were pretty rare.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 12:33 PM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Interesting, thanks.

 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 1:57 PM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

I wonder how "Jaws" would have fared as a double-LP.
Theoretically, that could have been the game-changer.


In theory the complete original JAWS score could fit in a single LP (at 55 min. it is shorter than the 58 min Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade 1LP) - not ideal soundwise but possible

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 25, 2020 - 2:17 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)


The very first was probably The Ten Commandments, as tiomkinfan said.

2LP soundtrack albums were pretty rare.


There had also been soundtracks that had two separate LP releases, for example, I Want to Live and Sweet Smell of Success.

 
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