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 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

LINK: https://screenrant.com/star-wars-luke-force-theme-change-original-trilogy/

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Wow she seems confused. Luke's Theme is absolutely not the Force Theme (just because it plays when he looks at the twin sunset??) -- anyone paying attention to the original film can tell that Luke's Theme is the same theme that plays during the title crawl. Sheesh.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)

"The Force Theme” is widely associated with Luke, playing during key moments in his arc in the original trilogy and becoming the main theme of the saga. With that in mind, it doesn’t make sense to have it playing in the prequel trilogy as Luke isn’t even present because he hadn’t been born yet, and not in the sequel trilogy either as he wasn’t a main character." BIG OOOOF.

I mean, I will admit that having the main title crawl theme (Luke's actual theme) play throughout the films was a little--weird? But it worked as more of the overall STAR WARS theme and not just for Luke.

But it's hard to take this hot mess of an opinion seriously because it's factually wrong.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   danbeck   (Member)

Even if the article has a factual mistake (calling Luke's Theme as the Force Theme), I remember also thinking that it would be more appropriate if "Luke's theme" was not used at the opening of Episode I (nor at the prequels) but a march version of the actual "Force Theme" instead (which in my head would be similar to the Force theme rendition at "The Throne Room" track).

But I understand how it could be weird to have a Star Wars without that theme at the opening, which I agree that can be considered the general "Star Wars theme" besides being Luke's theme.
In fact I read a post at JWFan with several other examples commenting on how Williams is not strict in its aplications of themes/leitmotifs - but instead plays what feels right for the scene (like using Leia's theme for Ben's death) and I think it felt right for the return of Star Wars to start with that iconic theme (even if using the actual Force Theme would be more appropriate for the era of the Jedis).

On the sequel trilogy it was clear that it would be used again. But I like the notion of a kind of march version of Rey's theme as an opening title - in an alternate universe)

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   johnonymous86   (Member)


In fact I read a post at JWFan with several other examples commenting on how Williams is not strict in its aplications of themes/leitmotifs - but instead plays what feels right for the scene (like using Leia's theme for Ben's death)


Great example--sort like using Yoda's theme during the escape from Cloud City. It doesn't really make sense but like--it works?

Or the fact that the droids had their own motif from ESB and ROTJ that we never hear after those films. Boba Fett's theme could have been resurrected during Attack of the Clones. or using Jabba's tuba theme during Phantom Menace. The Death Star motif from ANH never being brought back despite the fact that there were two more death stars in the series (or like 1.5 death stars).

There were a lot of head scratchers when you start nitpicking the themes in SW but I don't think blaming the sequels or Disney is really the correct choice. It's John Williams for crying out loud--the man knows how to place music. I think the sheer volume of thematic options was why there isn't always consistency. But I could be wrong.

In any case, I'm getting rather bored of these think pieces trying to assign blame for the disappointing Disney films. There were some nuggets of good quality but for the most part, they were a rush job (remember when you had to wait YEARS between getting sequels?) and that's why they were not satisfactory.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 8:25 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)


In fact I read a post at JWFan with several other examples commenting on how Williams is not strict in its aplications of themes/leitmotifs - but instead plays what feels right for the scene (like using Leia's theme for Ben's death)


Great example--sort like using Yoda's theme during the escape from Cloud City. It doesn't really make sense but like--it works?

Or the fact that the droids had their own motif from ESB and ROTJ that we never hear after those films. Boba Fett's theme could have been resurrected during Attack of the Clones. or using Jabba's tuba theme during Phantom Menace. The Death Star motif from ANH never being brought back despite the fact that there were two more death stars in the series (or like 1.5 death stars).

There were a lot of head scratchers when you start nitpicking the themes in SW but I don't think blaming the sequels or Disney is really the correct choice. It's John Williams for crying out loud--the man knows how to place music. I think the sheer volume of thematic options was why there isn't always consistency. But I could be wrong.

In any case, I'm getting rather bored of these think pieces trying to assign blame for the disappointing Disney films. There were some nuggets of good quality but for the most part, they were a rush job (remember when you had to wait YEARS between getting sequels?) and that's why they were not satisfactory.



Honestly it always kinda bugged me when Williams interchanged themes. Its all lovely music but its thematically confusing at times.

Regarding the writer, a true Star Wars fan would've said Binary Sunset. cool

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 10:34 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Wow she seems confused. Luke's Theme is absolutely not the Force Theme (just because it plays when he looks at the twin sunset??) -- anyone paying attention to the original film can tell that Luke's Theme is the same theme that plays during the title crawl. Sheesh.

Yavar


Yavar your nerdly scorn warms my crusty heart. Please never change.

It's a dumb article. Aside from the whole notion of "Luke's Theme" being wrong. Hell, the first connective tissue between the originals and the prequels (after the title) was the Force Theme when the Jedi were Jedi-ing.

I WAS shocked a few months ago when I went through The Last Battle from Star Wars. Until Biggs dies the only thematic material heard during the entire sequence is Ben's Theme (the Force Theme) and Darth Vader's theme (no, not that one). Bigg's is killed and then we hear one brief quote of Luke's theme (the real one) and then Ben's theme takes over as we hear, well, Ben. Then it's all Luke until the Death Star is destroyed. Then there's small burst of the "Rebel spaceship theme" over Darth Vader.

 
 Posted:   Jun 4, 2020 - 10:42 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)


In fact I read a post at JWFan with several other examples commenting on how Williams is not strict in its aplications of themes/leitmotifs - but instead plays what feels right for the scene (like using Leia's theme for Ben's death)


Great example--sort like using Yoda's theme during the escape from Cloud City. It doesn't really make sense but like--it works?

Or the fact that the droids had their own motif from ESB and ROTJ that we never hear after those films. Boba Fett's theme could have been resurrected during Attack of the Clones. or using Jabba's tuba theme during Phantom Menace. The Death Star motif from ANH never being brought back despite the fact that there were two more death stars in the series (or like 1.5 death stars).

There were a lot of head scratchers when you start nitpicking the themes in SW but I don't think blaming the sequels or Disney is really the correct choice. It's John Williams for crying out loud--the man knows how to place music. I think the sheer volume of thematic options was why there isn't always consistency. But I could be wrong.

In any case, I'm getting rather bored of these think pieces trying to assign blame for the disappointing Disney films. There were some nuggets of good quality but for the most part, they were a rush job (remember when you had to wait YEARS between getting sequels?) and that's why they were not satisfactory.


Yes, I am also growing fatigued of these "think pieces" but you calling them that made my day. Hilarious! big grin

 
 Posted:   Jun 5, 2020 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)


Regarding the writer, a true Star Wars fan would've said Binary Sunset. cool


A true Star Wars fan would call it Lost R2 (or The Princess Appears).

 
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