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 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 9:41 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

HBO Max have nixed it, no doubt due to its historical scenarios and slavery subject matter.
Is this the beginning* of a whitewashing (no pun intended) of history in films?
Just wait while I put my fingers in my ears and squeeze my eyes shut.

*I know Disney have done a similar thing with Song Of The South.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 9:46 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

According to Hollywood itself, "It's A Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World."

Allora, capiche?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 9:50 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

I heard the same thing. Well maybe you can still buy the physical media that companies are trying to make obsolete. Another reason why physical media will always be the way to go. Years ago the public schools got rid of some classic books because of the same reasons. This is what we are getting set up for. Real History? All those who lived in the Golden Age are dying every day and taking the history to their graves. Funny how the snake is eating it’s own tail. The ones who created their own versions of history are now also told they are dangerous and must be obsolete. 1984 Anyone?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Try to find a cheap copy on eBay now. I saw one Blu Ray version going for $150 in a bid war.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

This has been going on for a while, hasn't it? Maybe a little less ostentatiously than this type of virtue signalling.

Thee BBC is doing the same thing with Little Britain (comedy sketch show) because of blacking-up. There are probably thousands of examples from cinema and TV that would bring apoplexy to the current generation of unfortunates. What about Silver Streak? I'm sure the pious little shitbags would have a lot to say about that film!

Maybe a group of people who care about history should get all this stuff together in physical form before they wipe it from digital archives or make it completely inaccessible. A sort of Noah's Ark for our culture. Keeping things safe until -maybe - the madness ends.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:23 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Didn’t Margaret Mitchell win the Pulitzer in literature for fiction? (Yes). They will have to rescind that too!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:29 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Maybe I missed it but I don't remember any fuss over the character Pappa Lazeroo Frome the league of gentle men.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:34 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

What about Hattie MacDaniel? She was the first black actress to win a Academy Award with Gone With the Wind. With them banning this for racist issues would also be taking her accomplishment away also be racist? It’s going to create a whole new set of problems. Sigh

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

Hollywood in the 30s and 40s was not fair to persons of color. It is embarrassing in retrospect but what can you do. Gone with the Wind is great filmmaking, at least the first half. If anything for its time it had substantial roles for blacks for a popular film. And didn’t Hattie McDaniel call someone white trash? That should give it some street cred.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

By coincidence I read about this earlier this morning.
Idiots are becoming far too powerful.

How sad. How sad.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:56 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Jehannum, remember when the Open University was all over the BBC? Now it's all a matter of educashun.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   tiomkinfan   (Member)

Wind isn't being locked up for good. It has been temporarily pulled to show sensitivity for the current events. Warner doesn't edit "objectionable" content as that would be an attempt to alter historical truths. Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it. We can't learn from a history that has been altered or eradicated. Warner prefaces "objectionable" material with a disclaimer that it doesn't reflect current corporate attitudes, but to alter or hide the material would be like lying and saying such attitudes never existed.

The big culprit in revisionist edits and purges is Disney. Song of the South is locked up even though the actor, James Baskett, was awarded an oscar for his portrayal of Uncle Remus, the hero of the movie. Fantasia has been edited in the Pastoral Symphony and numerous shorts from the thirties have been altered. Disney is playing Big Brother with our history. Not their creative works, but rather the work of Walt Disney and his incredibly talented staff. I think he would be appalled at what his company has become.

OK> I'll get off my soapbox.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 11:13 AM   
 By:   dbrooks   (Member)

Tiomkinfan I think you are correct. As physical media collectors I don’t think this will play into our markets except all those who are paying crazy money for a dvd copy on eBay right now. I don’t know if they understand that the movie itself will always be around in some form. It’s like the Twinkie craze that happened about 10 years back because they thought Hostess was going to stop making Twinkies. At the same time these networks that stop playing shows are trying to convince us that physical media is dying and streaming is the future, this case kills that idea.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 11:37 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

If the words of this John Ridley fellow are going to have that much pull in the entertainment world, then I would like to see the actual credentials that qualify him to lecture me on what I should be watching.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 11:42 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Every Western before 1980 will be removed soon, ones that have white people playing Indians anyway, so every TV series. Except no one cares about them, so they haven't thought of this yet. Even though everyone is equal. I'm trying to work out the next logical illogical step.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 11:49 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Is this the evolution of the entertainment industry, or the devolution?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 11:54 AM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

Is this the evolution of the entertainment industry, or the devolution?


I would call it the death of critical thinking entirely.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 12:14 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Actors are being pressured by activists to refuse to play cops in films or on television. The television reality show "Cops" has been cancelled after 33 years, even though the current season has already been filmed and was to start airing next week. Fortunately, I'm sure we can count on Hollywood stars to stand their ground (stick to their guns?) and not bow to the momentary whims of the mob.

It's had to believe that fewer than six months ago, Will Smith and Martin Lawrence grossed $420 million playing cops in BAD BOYS FOR LIFE. They got in just under the wire. That film would probably be shelved indefinitely today.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

It occurred to me that maybe no one knew what I was referring to when I mentioned John Ridley earlier.

Here's some background.

The removal also comes after John Ridley, the Academy Award-winning screenwriter of "12 Years a Slave," wrote an op-ed in the Los Angeles Times this week asking HBO Max to take the film out of its rotation.

"It is a film that glorifies the antebellum south. It is a film that, when it is not ignoring the horrors of slavery, pauses only to perpetuate some of the most painful stereotypes of people of color," Ridley wrote. "The movie had the very best talents in Hollywood at that time working together to sentimentalize a history that never was."

Ridley made it clear that he didn't want "Gone with the Wind" to be "relegated to a vault in Burbank," California, but rather be taken down for a "respectful amount of time."

"Let me be real clear: I don't believe in censorship," Ridley wrote. "I would just ask, after a respectful amount of time has passed, that the film be re-introduced to the HBO Max platform along with other films that give a more broad-based and complete picture of what slavery and the Confederacy truly were."
Ridley added that the film "could be paired with conversations about narratives and why it's important to have many voices sharing stories from different perspectives rather than merely those reinforcing the views of the prevailing culture."


I did some further reading on Ridley's own career and I get the impression that he very much wants his work in entertainment to be a stepping stone into politics.
I would almost (and I do stress "almost") go as far as to say that if it were not for racism, he would not have much of a career at all.

Apart from your profoundly error-riddled perception of the actual movie, just who gets to determine the definition of "a respectful amount of time", Mr. Ridley?

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2020 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Yep, who died and made him God?

 
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