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 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

No details yet but Bruce Botnik says he's been engaged to create a new Dolby Atmos mix of the 16-track music masters for Star Trek: The Motion Picture, most likely for a coming 4K upgrade to the film. No mention here of which version of the film is being considered.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Lukas once said, about remastering, (roughly) that there are only so many times you can put a new coat of polish on a recording, and still make any meaningful improvement. I suppose home video Sensurround equipment offers some excuse to tinker with the stereo separation or some such.

For listening outside the movie, I'm confident I'll never have to upgrade beyond LLL's 3-disc set. I've dipped my last on this title. smile

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   Nedmerrill   (Member)

Lukas once said, about remastering, (roughly) that there are only so many times you can put a new coat of polish on a recording, and still make any meaningful improvement. I suppose home video Sensurround equipment offers some excuse to tinker with the stereo separation or some such.

For listening outside the movie, I'm confident I'll never have to upgrade beyond LLL's 3-disc set. I've dipped my last on this title. smile


I'll second that!

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 8:26 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

Note that he's talking about the proper soundtrack, all of the sound in the film, not soundtrack as we mean it here, just the music. It's likely not so much double-dipping or polishing a great polish job on the score as ... kind of doing a La-La-Land job on the film mix, which it needs. The original release(s) didn't even get what had been prepared for the movie in '79, and the 2001 DVD was, at least in the visuals, only mastered at DVD quality, so it's likely the restored-to-intent sound mix wasn't allowed to be more than DVD could present as well. Paramount seemed to have a very different attitude about their vault many years ago than they do now. It's easier to believe that what's happening is the rumored 4K Director's Edition, upgraded across the board, than that the theatrical cut is being worked on as is (especially its sound).

So this just seems like impending great news.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

Yeah, this is absolutely not something solely for soundtrack fans. He’s working on elements for the film itself. He’s most likely preparing an Atmos mix of the score which will be married to new mixes of the sound effects and dialogue created by others. I wonder what’s happening with the visuals...

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 9:10 AM   
 By:   gyorgyL   (Member)

Someone pointed (on the review of french magazine MadMovies) that the 2LP sounds better than the 3CD by Lalaland

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   JTWfan77   (Member)

"A lot of you are likely wondering about the classic Star Trek films on 4K, including the long-awaited (and occasionally teased) Star Trek: The Motion Picture – Director’s Edition. What I can tell you is that this is a big project but things are moving in a positive direction, if very slowly. So don’t give up; this one is going to require some patience."

Posted 28 January 2020

https://thedigitalbits.com/columns/my-two-cents/012820-1230

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2020 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

W. David Lichty [Lorien]: Note that he's talking about the proper soundtrack, all of the sound in the film, not soundtrack as we mean it here, just the music. It's likely not so much double-dipping or polishing a great polish job on the score as ... kind of doing a La-La-Land job on the film mix, which it needs.

I've no doubt that you are correct here, WDL[L], though Botnick is quite specific in that he stated that he personally was engaged in remastering, for Dolby Atmos, only the original 16-track soundstage score recordings.

This could be only for the purposes of giving the highest level of current fidelity to the score's presence in the eventual 4K-Dolby Atmos mix. Additionally, like some recent Beatles remix/remasters, it could be the prelude to an eventual standalone release of the score on a Dolby Atmos music-only disc.

I'm heartily for all these propositions.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:19 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Yeah I don't think there's much more you can do with the 2" tapes as far as 2-track mix downs go. LaLaLand's set was pretty definitive.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

BornOfAJackal : I've no doubt that you are correct here, WDL[L], though Botnick is quite specific in that he stated that he personally was engaged in remastering, for Dolby Atmos, only the original 16-track soundstage score recordings.

He said that? Shoot. I listened for just that note, but apparently not closely enough. Point taken!

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:26 AM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Someone pointed (on the review of french magazine MadMovies) that the 2LP sounds better than the 3CD by Lalaland

Its the same mastering though so I'd chalk that up to reequalization/equipment biases.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 6:58 AM   
 By:   Grecchus   (Member)

Online Trek article from a year ago:

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/19/paramount-considering-4k-star-trek-the-motion-picture-directors-edition/

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 10:06 AM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

No doubt this is great news. Im sure Mike Matessino is likely to be involved as he played a key role while working with Robert Wise and Jerry Goldsmith on Directors Cut. But lets wait for the official statement in some 5 or 6 months. I suspect a Christmas release...

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 10:35 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Oh, I'm all up for a remastered and restored version of the Director's Cut for STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE on HD Bluray. This is by far my favorite STAR TREK movie, I'd definitely get that.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 11:05 AM   
 By:   ghost of 82   (Member)

Funnily enough I rewatched my Blu-ray of ST:TMP last week and it holds up very well, it just needs those Directors Cut tweaks , the tighter editing and those few extra visual effects rebuilt for HD or 4k ( I imagine any new effects will be rendered in 2K- most new cinema releases do the same). Still the best Star Trek film for me, this could just make it better.

Doubt it could be ready for Christmas though, unless it's been worked on for some considerable time already.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 12:30 PM   
 By:   John Schuermann   (Member)

As some have surmised, Botnick is working on an ATMOS remix of the original score tracks, and this is *likely* to be in preparation for a release of ST-TMP on the UHD / 4K format. My guess is that it's for an ATMOS remix of both the original and Director's Cut versions of the film. There is also a good chance that it means a release of Jerry Goldsmith's music in the ATMOS format as well, which could be tremendous. Of course, that will only benefit those of us with ATMOS surround setups. Tidal has recently started offering ATMOS music on their streaming service, and if it's done properly, the result is so much more satisfying than a conventional stereo release. Again, of course, you need an ATMOS system to get the benefit.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 1:04 PM   
 By:   jgoldader   (Member)

I can’t tell you how happy this news makes me. I’ve come to appreciate the film more and more for its grandeur, for which the score should be given much credit. The Director’s Cut changes matched with the blu ray’s video quality would make this my most treasured 4K disc.

 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 1:07 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

As some have surmised, Botnick is working on an ATMOS remix of the original score tracks, and this is *likely* to be in preparation for a release of ST-TMP on the UHD / 4K format. My guess is that it's for an ATMOS remix of both the original and Director's Cut versions of the film. There is also a good chance that it means a release of Jerry Goldsmith's music in the ATMOS format as well, which could be tremendous. Of course, that will only benefit those of us with ATMOS surround setups. Tidal has recently started offering ATMOS music on their streaming service, and if it's done properly, the result is so much more satisfying than a conventional stereo release. Again, of course, you need an ATMOS system to get the benefit.

Im asking Bruce if they can do an isolated score in just Dolby Atmos. That would be just cool. That could be considered as Future Proofing too.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 1:16 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Oh, I'm all up for a remastered and restored version of the Director's Cut for STAR TREK - THE MOTION PICTURE on HD Bluray. This is by far my favorite STAR TREK movie, I'd definitely get that.

One of the RARE times, NZ, you've beat me to the punch smile. Not a Blurayer m'self so I will settle for a DVD of the Director's Edition with all this fancy shmancy audio improvement.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 15, 2020 - 1:18 PM   
 By:   Preston Neal Jones   (Member)

Dear Nedmerrill --

Since I see you've joined us as recently as April, welcome to the wonderful world of FSM! And because of your nom de plume, I have to ask: Have you seen any of our several threads about THE SWIMMER, both film and score? (I worked on the movie as a humble production assistant.)

 
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