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 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 8:47 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

I'm not sure if this has been asked before, so apologies if it has.

What are members limits regarding the minimum amount of new material in an expansion before they won't consider it worthwhile buying?

I ask because I'm going to get Casper, but haven't bothered with The Pagemaster or the recent Project X. That puts me at a minimum of between 5 and 10 minutes, I think.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   Mr. Jack   (Member)

To me, it's more important to have better sound than more music, although both, ideally, are appreciated. I wouldn't have re-bought The Pagemaster for two additional cues and a pair of alternates, but the sound is much better than the old Fox CD, so it was worth an upgrade (plus, I got the LLL edition for ten bucks, which helped).

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 9:28 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

Depends on the score... and as mentioned sound improvement or liner notes are another factor...

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 9:59 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Well, I eagerly bought Intrada's Secret of NIMH, expanded by just one previously unreleased cue around 3 minutes long (but what a cue! the best of the unreleased cues...)

I eventually picked up Intrada's In Harm's Way in a trade, which was only expanded by a couple of source cues plus one score cue around 90 seconds long...but that too was a very good cue, and I'm glad I got it (eventually).

I told myself that I drew the line at LLL's expansion of Magic, because it only added a single 27-second cue that wasn't on the Varese release. But even there I *eventually* caved, when LLL included it in one of their sales. I figured "what the heck"...and y'know, I didn't notice a huge sound improvement or anything but that 27 second cue was still a good'un! So no regrets... I guess with other composers besides Jerry my thresholds might be different.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

I picked up Rambo: First Blood Part 2 for the minimal new music but also the promise of improved sound. And Total Recall for the actual movie version of The Dream. But these are also two of my favorite scores, so certain minimal expansions I'll get if I am in love with the score. Others, maybe not. Case by case.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

Most of the times I'm very much content with the original releases, so for me first of all it has to be an all-time favourite score of mine to consider a new purchase. The sound quality can be a factor, however I'm not such a sharp-ear and with scores recorded from the '90s on there's not such a huge difference in sound for me.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:18 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Well, I eagerly bought Intrada's Secret of NIMH, expanded by just one previously unreleased cue around 3 minutes long (but what a cue! the best of the unreleased cues...)


Totally agree! I also purchased Pagemaster (on first release) for the improved sound. Fantastic score.
If a score has less than a minute of extra music and the sound didn't need improvement then I'll pass.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I'm not sure if this has been asked before, so apologies if it has.

What are members limits regarding the minimum amount of new material in an expansion before they won't consider it worthwhile buying?

I ask because I'm going to get Casper, but haven't bothered with The Pagemaster or the recent Project X. That puts me at a minimum of between 5 and 10 minutes, I think.


If I have it on LP, the expansion is a chance to get it on CD with more music.

If I already have it is on CD, it would have to be woefully incomplete or misrepresented for me to buy the expansion.

I guess the exception to this would be Chinatown, which had IIRC only 6 or 7 minutes' worth of music, but I had to get it.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 12:18 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

When one of my favorite scores gets the "label treatment" I'll buy it even if it's only a few minutes of new material. Informative booklets and music in film order always increases my enjoyment of the music. I can always trade away the old CDs for new ones which I do frequently.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

If it says Goldsmith on the cover

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 12:52 PM   
 By:   funkymonkeyjavajunky   (Member)

If it says Goldsmith on the cover

Yup.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 1:06 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

When one of my favorite scores gets the "label treatment" I'll buy it even if it's only a few minutes of new material. Informative booklets and music in film order always increases my enjoyment of the music. I can always trade away the old CDs for new ones which I do frequently.

Sometimes the old CDs sound better.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Kevin Costigan   (Member)

Depends on how much one cares about the music. There is an unreleased cue that is under 90 seconds from Warriors of Virtue (Montage from the first act, where the cook introduces the kid to the idea of Tao) that I love so much to justify a rebuy. (Are you reading this Ford???)

Same goes for the 1 minute cue in the 2005 King Kong where the crew takes up arms in-between the sacrifice sequence.

I'd rebuy Independence Day for the no choir version of The Big Tamale. That cue is under a minute.

I've been bugging MV at LLL for Event Horizon and all I really care about is three cues totalling 7 mins.

The film version instrumental of History Lesson from Wargames and Film Edit of The Dream from Total Recall had me justify those rebuys.

 
 Posted:   Aug 6, 2020 - 3:10 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

Interesting question. I'm about both modern audio and extra material, but less extra material is definitely an acceptable tradeoff if necessary. What's released now is pretty much the best each title will ever sound on CD, minus the rare objection over creative choices like with Rocketeer, so audio carries a ton of weight.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 12:45 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

For me it has to be a substantial expansion - a FIRST KNIGHT, a YOU ONLY LIVE TWICE, a TEMPLE OF DOOM where there's a lot of music missing (and I don't include adding the original album programme on the end or on Disc 2 - to me that's just duplicating unless it's a different recording such as THE FURY - so I never bothered with the later version of IN HARM'S WAY). Particularly in these times, I cannot justify $30 or more for one extra cue and I've never needed every last note anyway.

Years ago I happily rebought the 30-minute POLTERGEIST 2 for no reason other than the red Varese spine looked better on the shelf than the white Intrada one, but it was only £3 in a local CD shop. On a couple of occasions I've even de-expanded: much as I love THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK and RETURN OF THE JEDI, I tracked down used copies of the original albums. They're great scores, but there's just too much music to sit and listen to in the full versions. I also restored the Intrada EXTREME PREJUDICE to my CD racks rather than the expanded LLL version (now relegated to the spare room) as I think it's a better listen and I never much liked the previously unheard tracks.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 1:30 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

It very much depends on a variety of issues and is not "a matter of minutes", so to speak.

By and large, I'd say it depends on:

1. How good do I think the original album is? Some soundtrack albums are an excellent stand alone presentation of the score as it is. I don't feel the need to have every minute of every score, so sometimes I feel no need to "upgrade", even if there is more music.

2. Are there vital and interesting cues missing? (Famous case in point: the original soundtrack LP of PLANET OF THE APES did not even include "The Hunt"... WTF?) Cues, that I really would like to have. PAPILLON is another example, where one of the most poignant cues Goldsmith has ever written was not on the original soundtrack albums.

3. How much do I love the movie and score as such. For example CHINATOWN. One of my favorite movies, one of my favorite scores. Now I think the original soundtrack album represents the film score very well, so there was really no need for an expansion. Nevertheless, I bought the Intrada CD... it's one of my all time favorite movies, and all time favorite film scores... so I just had to have it.

4. Is there to be a considerable improvement in sound to be expected? (Doesn't have anything to do with expansion, though.)

5. Is it going to be a new and worthy listening experience. For example, I have the OST LP from BOYS FROM BRAZIL; I very much like how Goldsmith put that suite together, it plays fine. However, the complete film score as released by Intrada is equally interesting as a stand alone listening, but has a completely different emphasis. So I really enjoy and listen to both.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 3:13 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

Mine is always by a 'case-by-case' method.
There could be 30-40 minutes extra, but if it's a score I never really cared for (some expanded 90's/00s Jerry Goldsmith scores, for instance), I won't buy it.
Alternatively, it could be around 5 minutes, but if I love that score, I'm usually in.
Sound upgrades are also a big factor, especially with Horner expansions, as a lot of his original releases really need a fix.
Then, there are the ones where I originally say 'no' and then see it going for half price (or more) and figure...WTF.
So there is no hard and fast rule for me.
Sometimes, it can all come down to the mood I'm in smile

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 6:13 AM   
 By:   Ian J.   (Member)

In a twist of fate, because my usual supplier (SAE) don't have the LLL 'The Pagemaster', and as I'm in the U.K. I need to bulk out orders to spread the postage and customs costs, I've ordered Casper direct from LLL. I bulked the order out with three albums that I wasn't originally going to get which are all expansions that I wasn't that bothered about (The Pagemaster, Project X, Minority Report). The two Horner ones are on special offer so that's reduced the costs a bit.

Normal service will resume for my next overseas combo, from SAE.

 
 Posted:   Aug 7, 2020 - 11:14 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

If the labels put out a title that replaces one of the old "plain" CDs in my modest collection (about 130) I'll buy it. Even if it has no additional music.

Example: I have the Varese edition of JNH's The Sixth Sense. 30 minutes long. Bare-bones packaging.

If Varese, LLL or Intrada re-releases that exact same 30 minutes but with more attractive packaging and a liner note booklet then I'll buy it. What the heck...I have nothing else to spend my money on! (and it helps support the label for future productions)

 
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