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 Posted:   Aug 14, 2020 - 9:27 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I don't read too much science-fiction and mainly it is from the 50s-70s.

I've read quite a few Philip K. Dick - enjoying them all to various degrees, even the mostly terrible Lies, Inc.

and the Strugatsky Brothers' the excellent Hard to Be a God and Roadside Picnic. I have a few more of those on order

and the Best of John W Campbell, which includes Who goes There which i liked a lot, and Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, which is great till the huge letdown of an ending. The Book of Skulls by Robert Silverberg, was problematic, but interesting and more like a late 60s road trip book.

The only modern sci-fi i can recall reading was The Martian, which i really rather enjoyed, though it goes off the rails a bit at the end.

I just wondered if anyone had any sci-fi novel recommendations. The Sci-fi Masterworks that i think might be by Orion Publishing are everywhere but i don't know which to take risks on.

Quite a few seem interesting like Hyperion by Dan Simmons and other titles. Dune seems too massive for me to get into, though everyone seems to love it, i'm not sure i have the capacity to concentrate for that long on one book any more, as much as i'd like to.

I just wondered if anyone had read anything good they would recommend.


 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I don't read too much science-fiction and mainly it is from the 50s-70s.

I've read quite a few Philip K. Dick - enjoying them all to various degrees, even the mostly terrible Lies, Inc.

and the Strugatsky Brothers' the excellent Hard to Be a God and Roadside Picnic. I have a few more of those on order

and the Best of John W Campbell, which includes Who goes There which i liked a lot, and Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, which is great till the huge letdown of an ending. The Book of Skulls by Robert Silverberg, was problematic, but interesting and more like a late 60s road trip book.

The only modern sci-fi i can recall reading was The Martian, which i really rather enjoyed, though it goes off the rails a bit at the end.

I just wondered if anyone had any sci-fi novel recommendations. The Sci-fi Masterworks that i think might be by Orion Publishing are everywhere but i don't know which to take risks on.

Quite a few seem interesting like Hyperion by Dan Simmons and other titles. Dune seems too massive for me to get into, though everyone seems to love it, i'm not sure i have the capacity to concentrate for that long on one book any more, as much as i'd like to.

I just wondered if anyone had read anything good they would recommend.


If you liked "Who goes there?" (btw, an earlier longer draft is now available called "Frozen Hell") because it's both scifi and suspenseful horror, you might enjoy "Earth Has Been Found" aka Xeno. The author D.F. Jones wrote several end-of-civilization novels (like "Colossus Forbin Project" and "Implosion" which pre-dates "Children of Men"). But "Earth Has Been Found" is the only one I've kept and re-read. His books are easy-reading page-turners (plot driven), and this one would make a good movie. Avoid reading reviews since they'll have spoilers.

 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   Jehannum   (Member)

Iain M Banks's Culture series

Not sure of the best starting point. Consider Phlebas is the first in the series, Use of Weapons probably the most well received.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 1:22 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Thanks you two, they sound like good options to consider.


I had forgotten about Frozen Hell and the DF Jones I'd never heard of but sounds interesting.

I'd heard good things about Banks but only ever read The Wasp Factory 23 years ago, which was in his non-sci-fi stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 2:03 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Saw on bluray.com that "Predestination"(2014) was getting released. Never heard of it nor an Ethan Hawke fan, but I checked it out on imdb and downloaded it last night. Imdb displayed "Source Code" (2011) as a similar movie and starred Jake Gyllenhaal, downloaded that as well. Both are time travel movies. "Source code" was a mash-up of a few 1990s Outer Limits episodes, except it has a happy ending. Certainly entertaining, but cliche.
"Predestination" was interesting in a disturbing way - how a main female character is treated and the alternate history depicted, and shockingly that it's based on a 1958 Heinlein story. This explains why his possible future (1980s) never happened in our real past. It's considered the ultimate in time travel paradoxes (sorry, Phil Dick), but it's abit absurd and not what made the film memorable for me. It might be better to read the story first, but then it will spoil the movie.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 5:12 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I haven't read the story it's based on, but Predestination is indeed a pretty trippy and fascinating film. Recommended for a watch.

Some of my favorite sci-fi lit apart from those mentioned includes:

The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress - Robert A. Heinlein
Contact - Carl Sagan
At the Mountains of Madness - H.P. Lovecraft
The Time Machine - H.G. Wells
Neuromancer - William Gibson
The Diamond Age - Neal Stephenson

Also just finished The Forever War by Joe Haldeman. Pretty intriguing stuff. The Vietnam War as science fiction with U.S. space marines invading and bringing war to beings on distant planets in a strife that spans centuries.

And Michael Crichton, while far from the greatest writer of prose, is ever reliable for his thoughts on cutting-edge developments in science and their philosophical implications—and he sure knows how to keep you turning over the page. His books really are meant to be read passing through airports, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. Jurassic Park, Timeline, The Terminal Man... I'm looking forward to reading Sphere and Micro, both for the first time.

Also looking forward to Stephenson's Snow Crash, which is hailed as one of his best books.

Can't go wrong with Ray Bradbury or Richard Matheson either. Two giants of the 50s/60s.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 5:21 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Thanks Tango.

I have read At the Mountains of Madness - H.P. Lovecraft and The Time Machine - H.G. Wells, i like both those authors and have read a lot of their stuff - could probably revisit them too. The Invisible Man is actually a really great read from the first line.
Neuromancer - William Gibson - i really couldn't get into at all, i don't think cyberpunk is my thing.
Crichton - i did read Jurassic Park, Timeline and Prey about nanobots and they were all zippy reads.

I hadn't heard of the others, so will look them up.

I did also read Phase IV about 20 years ago, i found a second-hand copy in a used book shop.

I've been looking up a few authors too, and Gateway by Frederick Pohl looks interesting and Samuel R Delaney stuff seems like it has potential.

Oh i did read some of John Wyndham things too: The Midwich Cuckoos, The Chrysalids and Day of the Triffids, all of which i enjoyed.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 6:00 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Good call on The Invisible Man. That was my favorite along with The Time Machine when I read through Wells' greatest works.

And perhaps this is more horror than science fiction, though it crosses genres, but Max Brooks' World War Z truly is a fantastic read and relevant now more than ever with our current pandemic. Ground zero of the zombie outbreak even takes place in rural China, believe it or not.

Of Philip K. Dick, I've only read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Loved it, though it's a totally different animal from the film. For someone who enjoyed Do Androids Dream...?, where would you recommend exploring next with PKD?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 6:27 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Good call on The Invisible Man. That was my favorite along with The Time Machine when I read through Wells' greatest works.

And perhaps this is more horror than science fiction, though it crosses genres, but Max Brooks' World War Z truly is a fantastic read and relevant now more than ever with our current pandemic. Ground zero of the zombie outbreak even takes place in rural China, believe it or not.

Of Philip K. Dick, I've only read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? Loved it, though it's a totally different animal from the film. For someone who enjoyed Do Androids Dream...?, where would you recommend exploring next with PKD?


World War Z! I own it but had to put it in storage, i'll have to find it.

PKD - i really liked A Scanner Darkly and Ubik. These two have some really marvelous ideas and moments in them.
The Man in the High Castle was a great idea and a decent read, but i wanted more from it, but still very worth reading. I liked the TV series a lot. They did very well spinning the relatively slim novel out.
Time Out of Joint I liked a lot, too. A guy who basically solves the newspaper puzzle for a living and feels his life may be fake.
I'd avoid Lies, Inc. AKA The Unteleported Man has a great central idea and a decent start but then became unreadably bad for me and i struggled to finish it.

PKD has great ideas, some clunky writing, but nothing to drag it down too badly most of the time.

His short story The Hanging Stranger is brilliant, and one of my favourite short stories.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Not that anyone is asking me, but FAITH OF OUR FATHERS is my fav Phil Dick story. It's set in the alternate reality of the novel MAN IN HIGH CASTLE but it's a completely different take on what's going on. I much prefer it to the book.
He wasn't the best novelist. I think I've read all of them, including regular fiction, but none made as big an impression on me as DO ANDROIDS DREAM. They all have memorable moments, but might have been better as short stories (which they sometimes started out as).

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 8:04 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

PKD - i really liked A Scanner Darkly and Ubik. These two have some really marvelous ideas and moments in them.
The Man in the High Castle was a great idea and a decent read, but i wanted more from it, but still very worth reading. I liked the TV series a lot. They did very well spinning the relatively slim novel out.
Time Out of Joint I liked a lot, too. A guy who basically solves the newspaper puzzle for a living and feels his life may be fake.
I'd avoid Lies, Inc. AKA The Unteleported Man has a great central idea and a decent start but then became unreadably bad for me and i struggled to finish it.

PKD has great ideas, some clunky writing, but nothing to drag it down too badly most of the time.

His short story The Hanging Stranger is brilliant, and one of my favourite short stories.


Not that anyone is asking me, but FAITH OF OUR FATHERS is my fav Phil Dick story, and a loose sequel to MAN IN HIGH CASTLE.



Cool, thanks! I enjoyed the film A Scanner Darkly and Ubik often comes recommended so I'll probably start with those. I'll look out for the short stories "The Hanging Stranger" and "Faith of Our Fathers," too.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 8:18 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

PKD - i really liked A Scanner Darkly and Ubik. These two have some really marvelous ideas and moments in them.
The Man in the High Castle was a great idea and a decent read, but i wanted more from it, but still very worth reading. I liked the TV series a lot. They did very well spinning the relatively slim novel out.
Time Out of Joint I liked a lot, too. A guy who basically solves the newspaper puzzle for a living and feels his life may be fake.
I'd avoid Lies, Inc. AKA The Unteleported Man has a great central idea and a decent start but then became unreadably bad for me and i struggled to finish it.

PKD has great ideas, some clunky writing, but nothing to drag it down too badly most of the time.

His short story The Hanging Stranger is brilliant, and one of my favourite short stories.


Not that anyone is asking me, but FAITH OF OUR FATHERS is my fav Phil Dick story, and a loose sequel to MAN IN HIGH CASTLE.



Cool, thanks! I enjoyed the film A Scanner Darkly and Ubik often comes recommended so I'll probably start with those. I'll look out for the short stories "The Hanging Stranger" and "Faith of Our Fathers," too.


Yes, "A Scanner Darkly" is a good read overall. Again, all his books have memorable moments (interesting twists, odd scientific extrapolations, hilarious social satires) so they shouldn't be overlooked if you become a fan.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 9:10 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Just read a PDF of "The Hanging Stranger" online. Wild story. I liked it. Thanks for the recommendation. It reminded me of Matheson's short fiction or a Twilight Zone episode. This actually seems like the kind of plot PKD could have fleshed out into a novel. But the twist admittedly would seem to work best in short form.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 9:39 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I'm a huge fan of Donald Barthelme and he I see on YouTube reading his own short stories like "I bought a little city". His best two short stories are my favourites: "some of us had been threatening our friend Colby" and "The Game". Not sci fi but both brilliant.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 9:41 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

Last Child, Faith of Our fathers sounds good and I was unaware of it. Will track it down. PKD had ideas for days just the execution was sometimes lacking, like you say.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 10:02 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I don't read too much science-fiction and mainly it is from the 50s-70s.

I just wondered if anyone had read anything good they would recommend.


Same with me. The only author whose novels I collected was Clifford D. Simak - from his short story collections & early novels from 1951 onwards until his last book in 1986 a few years before his death. I read these throughout the 1980s, but haven't read anything newer (by younger writers) over the past 30 years.
My faves range between 1967 & 1976 and are THE WEREWOLF PRINCIPLE, OUT OF THEIR MINDS, DESTINY DOLL & SHAKESPEARE'S PLANET.
Simak see-saws between sci-fi and fantasy, so he might not be to your tastes but I nonetheless recommend him.

Robert Bloch is another writer whom I like, but I haven't read as much by him as I'd like to.
Never got into or cared for Harlan Ellison, honestly, and think he receives too much praise. As a teenager, I felt Kurt Vonnegut was too 'adult' for me - but I might like his writings now as a middle-aged person.

Aldous Huxley rates highly-favorable by me.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 10:17 PM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I don't read too much science-fiction and mainly it is from the 50s-70s.

I just wondered if anyone had read anything good they would recommend.


Same with me. The only author whose novels I collected was Clifford D. Simak - from his short story collections & early novels from 1951 onwards until his last book in 1986 a few years before his death. I read these throughout the 1980s, but haven't read anything newer (by younger writers) over the past 30 years.
My faves range between 1967 & 1976 and are THE WEREWOLF PRINCIPLE, OUT OF THEIR MINDS, DESTINY DOLL & SHAKESPEARE'S PLANET.
Simak see-saws between sci-fi and fantasy, so he might not be to your tastes but I nonetheless recommend him.

Robert Bloch is another writer whom I like, but I haven't read as much by him as I'd like to.
Never got into or cared for Harlan Ellison, honestly, and think he receives too much praise. As a teenager, I felt Kurt Vonnegut was too 'adult' for me - but I might like his writings now as a middle-aged person.

Aldous Huxley rates highly-favorable by me.


I'v never read Simak but his Way Station (1963) seemed interesting from the description. I'm not into fantasy literature but will have a look through his sci-fi stuff. Thanks.

Huxley and Vonnegut I've only read Brave New World and Slaughterhouse 5 but didn't enjoy them as much as i thought i would, so didn't read any more by them. But it's been over a decade, so might be worth visiting their other stuff.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 11:14 PM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)

I wouldn't recommend much by Huxley EXCEPT for Brave New World. I had to read him whilst studying BNW for my Eng Lit A level and found his work extremely dull..... Poor characterisation and plots, people just brought together with the aim to to spout his philosophical and social concepts. And with the exception of BNW and Island (and you are stretching it there too) there ain't any Sci-fi here.....

If you want some classic Sci fi from a decent novelist who could create engaging stories and characters go for HG Wells as others have recommended or John Wyndham.

Or maybe try some Cyberpunk and William Gibson ....something like Neuromancer.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 15, 2020 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

I forgot to mention Richard Morgan's Altered Carbon from 2002 for something more recent. Been awhile since I've read it so my recollection is hazy, but I remember being suitably impressed by its vivid descriptions and sprawling story. It's hard-boiled cyberpunk, sort of like The Big Sleep done in the 25th century with a hard R rating.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 16, 2020 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   Xebec   (Member)

I wouldn't recommend much by Huxley EXCEPT for Brave New World. I had to read him whilst studying BNW for my Eng Lit A level and found his work extremely dull..... Poor characterisation and plots, people just brought together with the aim to to spout his philosophical and social concepts. And with the exception of BNW and Island (and you are stretching it there too) there ain't any Sci-fi here.....

If you want some classic Sci fi from a decent novelist who could create engaging stories and characters go for HG Wells as others have recommended or John Wyndham.

Or maybe try some Cyberpunk and William Gibson ....something like Neuromancer.


I really couldn't get into Neuromancer at all. Not sure why. I think cyberpunk isn't my thing. Though i like Blade Runner the film and the original book, but i guess that's not got a very cyberpunk feel.

The Wells I've read i liked and the three Wyndham, also some Jules Verne too. I watched a lot of the film adaptions growing up.

 
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