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 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 5:25 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann's score for “Walking Distance” from The Twilight Zone is one of the finest pieces if not the greatest piece of scoring for a half hour show in television history. It is also one of the more recorded and re-recorded soundtracks out there which is only befitting for a masterwork from one of the masters if not The Master.

The show, the episode and its score are seminal moments in my everloving film music life that began from a mighty early age. That's no news for citizens of FSNation who've been around this place over the past couple of decades. As is my general preference for original recordings as heard in the picture.

Anyway, I once mentioned in the old and voluminous 1776 thread that I've always wanted to make my own ”compilation” recording of the best tracks from both its original cast album and film soundtrack and thereby create something of a definitive performance.

I wish to do the same with WD. Yet another challenge. roll eyes And a prodigious one at that: I'm giving it the full monty treatment and first watch the ep via VHS. Then Netflix. I believe the music stands out better on the tape but want to have it confirmed. Then it's off to OST and rerecording paradise.

For me, sound quality is not paramount; “performance” is. However, the newest release (April 1, 2020) via Hollywood Studio Orchestra poses another challenge--the sound is incredible! Feels like the orchestra is in my living room!! And the tempi is spot-on (VERY important for a WD connoisseur)!!!

Anyone ever done anything remotely like this?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 5:55 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

Bernard Herrmann's score for “Walking Distance” from The Twilight Zone is one...For me, sound quality is not paramount; “performance” is. However, the newest release (April 1, 2020) via Hollywood Studio Orchestra poses another challenge--the sound is incredible! Feels like the orchestra is in my living room!! And the tempi is spot-on (VERY important for a WD connoisseur)!!!


What is the name of this new album released in April 2020? I can’t find it.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 6:33 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

You've been going on about this for decades, Howard, but would you believe I've never actually seen this episode or heard its score? In fact, I've seen nothing, zip, zilch of the original TWILIGHT ZONE show; which is weird, because there's at least the personal attraction of Williams playing piano on some of these episodes. Something to remedy, perhaps, so I'll at the very least get your frame of reference when we speak next. Is it available to view online anywhere?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

What is the name of this new album released in April 2020? I can’t find it.

https://newdiscovery.bandcamp.com/track/the-twilight-zone-walking-distance

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   jkannry   (Member)

What is the name of this new album released in April 2020? I can’t find it.

https://newdiscovery.bandcamp.com/track/the-twilight-zone-walking-distance


Is it in CD format? Is it released by any of the major digital streaming services like iTunes?

I’ll concede bandcamp is a real site with real app etc.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 8:01 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Not sure what the goal is. The music itself is going to be the same in the vhs and digital streaming video. Even if one is louder relative to dialog, it's irrelevant to deciding what music-only version you want. Unless you're going to edit the music from a video source.

If you like original recordings, then why not stick with that? There's the CD releases, and the stems track on the Definitive video. Perhaps that's what you should be comparing rather than video sources, for sound quality differences.
As for re-recordings, I think it's (at least initially) jarring to hear mixed sources, so I would keep them separate. I can understand comparing those - the Stromberg, McNeely, and now McGehee (which sounds great).

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 8:11 AM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I have this Varese CD with a 12:25 OST suite from "Walking Distance." I just played the cue to refresh my memory. It's a pretty good presentation. It seems I'm all set here:



I also have the complete TZ Blu-ray set, and that most likely includes the "WD" iso-score. The iso-scores I've played on Blu-ray have very good sound. I was thrilled with them.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I have this Varese CD with a 12:25 OST suite from "Walking Distance." I just played the cue to refresh my memory. It's a pretty good presentation. It seems I'm all set here:

I have the 40th Anniversary Silva collection which I assume collected the Varese LP/CD's. Was this track definitely the same on both?

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Is the isolated score included on the DVD and BluRay sets complete?

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

The completeness is a complicated question since the episode apparently had (two?) different music edit versions, and depends which version you watch. Although a score sheet would answer the question. Maybe Howard's comparison between VHS and Netflix would be enlightening if they're different versions.

From the TWZ Cafe:

Note that Herrmann reused cue names in different scores, so don't confuse these with other episodes.

I have some additional information re: the "Walking Distance" score.
First of all, the soundtrack on the Definitive Edition DVD is slightly different from
previous releases. In this version, after Martin is slapped by his mother, we hear
"Artist's Life" (rather than "The Merry-Go-Round") for about 20 seconds, then it segues
into "The Merry-Go-Round". We do not get to hear “The Merry-Go-Round” in its
entirety in this version.

Secondly, the original LP release of "The Twilight Zone Volume 1" on Varese
Sarabande Records featured the cues in a different order. Here is the breakdown:
Intro (:00-:30)
The Parents (:30-2:13)
Finale (2:13-3:14)
The Park (3:15-4:55)
The House (4:56-6:39)
The Merry-Go-Round (6:40-7:21)
Martin’s Summer (7:21-8:55)
Elegy (8:55-12:30)

Third, here is the instrumentation for the original score, which is dated August 15, 1959:
6 1st Violins
4 2nd Violins
3 Violas
3 Celli
2 Basses
1 Harp

The episode score is available on the 40th Anniversary CD set (Disc 1, Track 17) in
suite form, with the cues arranged as follows:
The Park (:00-1:40)
The House (1:40-3:22)
The Merry-Go-Round (3:22-4:03)
Martin's Summer (4:03-5:38)
Elegy (5:38-9:13)
Introduction (9:13-9:43)
The Parents (9:43-11:24)
Finale (11:24-12:27)

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Specific music edit differences between episode versions. I omitted video scene descriptions.

Tracklist from TWZ Cafe:

Musical cues for "Walking Distance" (using starting time stamps from Image Entertainment pre-Definitive Edition)
Original score composed and conducted by BERNARD HERRMANN

Episode starts at :00/:10
1:23/1:33 Introduction
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score
Lead into commercial.

2:40/2:50 The Drugstore
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

4:27/4:37 Memories
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

7:58/8:08 The Park
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

9:48/9:58 The House
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

11:55/12:05 Curtain
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

12:47/12:57 The Parents
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

14:29/14:39 The Merry-Go-Round (pre-Definitive Edition)
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

14:29/14:39 Künstlerleben (Artist's Life) Opus 316 No. 2 (Definitive Edition and syndication)
Johann Strauss II
Note: One of two different cues may be heard here depending on the version. If it's
"Artist's Life," then Martin is hearing it in the distance, and the first twenty seconds
of "The Merry-Go-Round" is eliminated.

14:49/14:59 The Merry-Go-Round
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score
Martin runs away from the house until he stops and stares.
Note: On pre-Definitive Edition, this is just the continuation of the previous cue.
Otherwise, a truncated "The Merry-Go-Round" starts here.

15:07/15:17 Künstlerleben (Artist's Life) Opus 316 No. 2
Johann Strauss II
Cut to merry-go-round on which waltz music is played.
Note: Here is how to get to a MIDI of the complete "Artist's Life." Scroll down to
"Artists life Waltz" and click on the MIDI next to it.

16:14/16:24 Martin's Summer
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

17:45/17:55 Elegy
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

21:17/21:27 Natural Rock
Bruce Campbell
Cut to closeup of jukebox.

23:03/23:13 Finale
Bernard Herrmann, from the episode score

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

The completeness is a complicated question since the episode apparently had (two?) different music edit versions, and depends which version you watch. Although a score sheet would answer the question. Maybe Howard's comparison between VHS and Netflix would be enlightening if they're different versions.

Indeed. I went to both media to make sure my ear is/has not been playing tricks. All my life I have heard the beginning of the cue named "The Merry-Go-Round" underscore the moments after Sloan gets slapped, which segues into a corker of a close-up of his bewildered face bathed in the glow of light. This was confirmed in the VHS. The Netflix version, however, eliminates the music but then we/Martin hears the sound of the calliope in the distance. He then breaks off into a wild run to find young Martin.

Both versions work, but the absence of the searing strings is jarring. And I believe it is a mistake to excise them. Doubt Benny would have approved. It diminishes the impact of that astonishing close-up.

PS

The sound levels of both media had no discernible difference. Again, mind's ear may be playing tricks but it seemed the music was louder on TV in airings of the distant past and even nearer past.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 12:45 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I agree, I'm accustomed to the Herrmann cue at the slap scene. It's called "The Merry-go-round," not "Elegy." The merry-go-round music source cue is from Strauss.
To clarify, Netflix is using the nominal Definitive audio version.

The Definitive Dvd audio, and its isolated music track, omit the start of the Herrmann cue at the slap scene and go to the Strauss source track instead, then partially return to the Herrmann cue.

Likewise, the Definitive Blu-ray has this as the default audio option. However, there is an "Alternate mix" option with the Herrmann cue. Seems like they should have made it the default audio instead. Unlike the dvd, the blu-ray isolated music track has the Herrmann cue in place.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Isn't it funny that Walking Distance has more recordings than most film scores!

But it's worth it.

Cheers

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I agree, I'm accustomed to the Herrmann cue at the slap scene. It's called "The Merry-go-round," not "Elegy."

Corrected. Thank you.

Isn't it funny that Walking Distance has more recordings than most film scores!

Let us count the ways. Here are the various recordings with cue titles taken from the McNeely version, which is the only complete soundtrack and the only recording in proper filmic sequence.

VARESE OST LP
1. Intro
2. The Parents
3. Finale
4. The Park
5. The House
6. The Merry-Go-Round
7. Martin's Summer
8. Elegy

SILVA OST CD
1. The Park
2. The House
3. The Merry-Go-Round
4. Martin's Summer
5. Elegy
6. Intro
7. The Parents
8. Finale

MCNEELY
1. Intro
2. The Drugstore
3. Memories
4. The Park
5. The House
6. The Curtain
7. The Parents
8. The Merry-Go-Round
9. Martin's Summer
10. Elegy
11. Finale

TRIBUNE FILM CLASSICS
1. Prelude
2. Memories
3. The Park
4. The House
5. The Parents
6. Martin's Summer [truncated]
7. Elegy
8. Finale

HOLLYWOOD STUDIO ORCHESTRA
1. Memories
2. The House
3. The Park
4. Intro
5. The Parents [truncated]
6. The Merry-Go-Round
7. Martin's Summer
8. Elegy

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

I have this Varese CD with a 12:25 OST suite from "Walking Distance." I just played the cue to refresh my memory. It's a pretty good presentation. It seems I'm all set here:



I imagine this is a straight transfer from the LP referenced above(?). That LP as well as the Silva CD do not include "The Drugstore" and "Memories" and that is a shame. My gut instinct is that both performances of those in the OST i.e. as heard in the film are the best of the best, mono notwithstanding.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

The omission in some prints of the music during Gig Young's post-slap close-up has had me comparing it to another Herrmannic moment: The "Come Lucia, come..." segue to Gene Tierney's stunning close-up in The Ghost & Mrs. Muir. Can anyone imagine seeing a print that omits the music in that transition? It's timing is flawless. Granted, the emotions are quite different in WD. Sloan is stunned, confused, confounded. On the edge of some kind of breakdown. Mrs. Muir is utterly serene. And yet if someone saw these scenes unscored first...

...but would you believe I've never actually seen this episode or heard its score? In fact, I've seen nothing, zip, zilch of the original TWILIGHT ZONE show; which is weird, because there's at least the personal attraction of Williams playing piano on some of these episodes. Something to remedy, perhaps, so I'll at the very least get your frame of reference when we speak next. Is it available to view online anywhere?

...this is why it is right to see WD in its original and prevailing presentation. This is one you want to hear in its filmic context first for the benefit of receiving the score's full effect later as a standalone experience.

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

The problem with getting a "definitive" Walking Distance is the original 1/4" mono tapes are believed to be locked up in the vaults of UCLA along with the rest of the CBS TV music archive, and they're not letting them out.

I have this Varese CD with a 12:25 OST suite from "Walking Distance." I just played the cue to refresh my memory. It's a pretty good presentation. It seems I'm all set here:

I have the 40th Anniversary Silva collection which I assume collected the Varese LP/CD's. Was this track definitely the same on both?


It was. The Silva set just recycled all the suites from the old Varese LPs.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 7:26 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Oh brother, now here is the entire OST (minus "Finale"). Must be from isolated score. Folks, I'm starting to get that overwhelmed feeling. Have always wanted to hear this--



Good place to start. Imagine Herrmann conducting...

 
 Posted:   Aug 19, 2020 - 9:01 PM   
 By:   LordDalek   (Member)

Oh brother, now here is the entire OST (minus "Finale"). Must be from isolated score. Folks, I'm starting to get that overwhelmed feeling. Have always wanted to hear this--



Good place to start. Imagine Herrmann conducting...


^IIRC he recorded this with a non-union orchestra in Mexico so that CBS could immediately incorporate it into their music library.

 
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