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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 11:21 PM   
 By:   Recordman   (Member)

Picky, picky, picky

[startquote from Rozsaphile][Records are a lot easier to play

You mean after you've secured the dust cover, unlatched the tone arm, brushed (ever so cautiously) the stylus, cleaned the disc surface, and (with some current turntables) held your breath while manually lowering the arm? Then, praying for an absence of heavy footfalls, you can sit back and discover how many new pops and clicks have emerged since the last playing. Which will keep you awake until the side change. Heaven help you if you wish to skip to another track.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 1:46 AM   
 By:   Moonlit   (Member)

You mean CD sales have dropped and dropped and dropped and dropped, for year after year after year... and only now have those diving sales eventually reached the lowly level of vinyl sales?

Well put. Making such a claim about LP sales without context is a perfect example of fake news.


Lets not go there please. wink

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

They write this article every year. Here is one from 2019

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2019/09/14/vinyl-records-on-track-to-outsell-cds-and-prices-have-risen-490percent.html?fbclid=IwAR0h1SeABzP66UMArT5eOmJcWf4YEQyWUfxvKU4V3RTdAmwxrSOgZZA2X3w

Plus, they are talking about revenue and when vinyl sells for 3 to 5 times the cost per unit you can see it makes it easier for vinyl to generate revenue.

The Spielberg Ultimate Collection was $24.99 on CD and almost $150 on vinyl.


Yeah, I previously mentioned the cost differences.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 5:20 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

From what I've observed a lot of people who buy LP actually don't want the music, they want it as a collector's item, and might never even listen to it. It's pretty bizzare.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Young people decided Marlboro wasn't fashionable anymore, and decided it was cooler to be seen with flavored e-cigarettes instead. Sooner or later, it'll turn full circle again and they'll be thinking it's cooler to be seen with a pack of "tough guy" Marlboro and a Zippo lighter again. Nothing to do with good sense or one being better or worse than the other... it's just about what currently looks cool in the eyes of their peers. Like vinyl.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 6:58 PM   
 By:   Sirusjr   (Member)

From what I've observed a lot of people who buy LP actually don't want the music, they want it as a collector's item, and might never even listen to it. It's pretty bizzare.

What, you mean like some people on here who just want their bottle cap?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 11:32 PM   
 By:   Chris Malone   (Member)

I think some of our favourite labels probably take a pragmatic view on this.

If there is the ability for them to sell units, attract new customers to other soundtracks in their portfolio, and turn a profit, then why wouldn’t they pursue it?

However, manufacturing usually has lengthy lead times, sometimes requires upfront commitments to be paid, can be time consuming to QA, and can require additional sonic adjustments to suit the medium.

One thing Quartet did with their Harlem Pop release is combine an LP and CD in the one LP sized package—you get the big beautiful art and choice of playback format. Yes, it costs more than some CDs, but not prohibitively so.

https://www.quartetrecords.com/product/harlem-pop-lp-cd/

I wonder if this sort of approach would be attractive to some (film) music fans more generally.

Chris

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 7:50 AM   
 By:   scottthompson   (Member)

Still shaking my head on this....

SCOTT

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:21 PM   
 By:   Khan   (Member)

From what I've observed a lot of people who buy LP actually don't want the music, they want it as a collector's item, and might never even listen to it. It's pretty bizzare.

You mean like all the no CD, no sale people that post here?!

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   steffromuk   (Member)

I love records. My reasons are a mixture of Collector fetishism, love for object and graphic design and (it may surprise you) Love for the sound itself.
I regularly seat down with my headphones on and religiously listen through one or two records.
I buy a lot of them and I listen to them regularly, when most of my CDs stay on the shelves for month or years between each listen. There's a warmer relationship with a record than with a CD, especially when it comes to movie soundtracks. The size of the art and the pictures and text makes it a more noble collectible than a CD can ever pretend to. Very much like the difference between hard and paper cover books. Or digital and film photos.

Nostalgia may have some weight in some of the older generation's decision to buy records but the younger ones don't have that. And yet, they are the ones who buy the most records.
If it had been a trend it would have long passed.
I buy records like I buy art books.

That said, this article means nothing in regard to how dematerialized music has been dominating the market and killing physical products.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   scrapsly   (Member)

I am going to use the LP of On Her Majesty's Secret Service as an example. Yes we could debate 2lp or 2d all day long but when only one is available, well you can have much more music on the CD format.. Yes the larger artwork is nice in an LP, but I will take the extra music and buy a poster. No going back to LP if I can help it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 2:49 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I love records. My reasons are a mixture of Collector fetishism, love for object and graphic design and (it may surprise you) Love for the sound itself.

I thought a fetish was something that either sexually turns you on, or makes you literally (not metaphorically) believe is magical. Something I wouldn't admit to on a blog, but that's me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

You mean like all the no CD, no sale people that post here?!

Can't speak for others but I'm NCNS precisely because I want to listen to the music. I can't listen if it's misplaced on a hard drive, if I don't know what I have because I can't see the whole collection (like I can when I open my CD cabinet), or if the analog material degrades. Or, ffs, if ownership isn't access.

Aside from scratches, CDs are pretty close to perfection. If you want me to buy or enjoy less, fine. But I'm paying you less. A lot less.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I thought a fetish was something that either sexually turns you on, or makes you literally (not metaphorically) believe is magical. Something I wouldn't admit to on a blog, but that's me.

It started doubling as a metaphor long ago.

 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

I thought a fetish was something that either sexually turns you on, or makes you literally (not metaphorically) believe is magical. Something I wouldn't admit to on a blog, but that's me.

It started doubling as a metaphor long ago.


Not in my Funk'n Wagnalls.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 1:54 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • No CD = no sale.

    I'm starting to think you'll name your firstborn with that. wink

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     Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 3:05 AM   
     By:   Rameau   (Member)

    I love records. My reasons are a mixture of Collector fetishism, love for object and graphic design and (it may surprise you) Love for the sound itself.

    I suppose I'm the older generation (70 in a few months), but I have no nostalgia for LPs at all. As the seventies went on & into the eighties, LP pressings got worse & worse (lots of inbuilt crackle). I suppose we're now at the fag end of CDs, but they'll see me out. I do wish I'd kept some favourite LPs, as I loved some of the covers & they look great framed on the wall.

     
     Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 8:31 AM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

    You mean like all the no CD, no sale people that post here?!

    Can't speak for others but I'm NCNS precisely because I want to listen to the music. I can't listen if it's misplaced on a hard drive, if I don't know what I have because I can't see the whole collection (like I can when I open my CD cabinet), or if the analog material degrades. Or, ffs, if ownership isn't access.

    Aside from scratches, CDs are pretty close to perfection. If you want me to buy or enjoy less, fine. But I'm paying you less. A lot less.


    One may say a lot about files, CDs, or LPs, but to use less "misplacement" against files is not an argument at all. CDs are much easier to misplace, unless you maybe have unlimited shelf space, which I don't. Currently, I have some in shelves, but since these are full, new CDs just end up in a box (for now). So often times I don't know exactly where any particular CD is at the moment (box or shelf, and in the boxes, they are only "ordered" chronologically, when I got them, I put them there). On my hard disc drive, on the other hand, all the music is there, correctly labelled, sorted, etc. Nothing gets lost there, in fact, I can even print out an overview list of all my CDs from there, since by now I think I have all (I always think it's all, but it's probably only 98% or so) my CDs as lossless files sorted in folders and subfolders.

    I'd say it is much easier to access and overview a whole music collection at a glance on a hard drive than it would be to do so with the physical CD/LP collection.

     
     
     Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 4:34 PM   
     By:   TerraEpon   (Member)



    I'd say it is much easier to access and overview a whole music collection at a glance on a hard drive than it would be to do so with the physical CD/LP collection.


    Indeed, I barely ever even look at my CDs after the initial listen and rip. They are all the way in another room, but on the comp I can just quickly navigate, enqueue, and wham bam.

     
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