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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 12:41 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Why do you think they didn’t have access?

Yavar


Has Sony ever licensed another label and given it access to original music sessions to remaster and release well known recordings such as these? Just asking. Sony's own CDs of these recordings (but not quadrophonic) are still widely available.


And another UK company - Stage Door - is currently reissuing a few Sony Original Cast Recordings and making a good job of it! And they are legal as well.


Two years ago Stage Door released the first legitimate CD of the OBC recording of DONNYBROOK!, a show with an excellent, underrated score. The sound quality was excellent. This recording could not be legally released in the U.S. by Decca Records because of missing paperwork. As a result poor quality bootlegs of this fine score started popping up in the U.S.

How did Stage Door achieve such superior sound quality? Did they have any access to master tapes from the Decca/Universal Music family of record labels? Again if this is a dumb question, I apologize for my lack of knowledge.


Just speculation: https://www.discogs.com/Donnybrook-Original-Broadway-Cast-Donnybrook/release/15366728 wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Tony J   (Member)

Why do you think they didn’t have access?

Yavar


Has Sony ever licensed another label and given it access to original music sessions to remaster and release well known recordings such as these? Just asking. Sony's own CDs of these recordings (but not quadrophonic) are still widely available.


And another UK company - Stage Door - is currently reissuing a few Sony Original Cast Recordings and making a good job of it! And they are legal as well.


Two years ago Stage Door released the first legitimate CD of the OBC recording of DONNYBROOK!, a show with an excellent, underrated score. The sound quality was excellent. This recording could not be legally released in the U.S. by Decca Records because of missing paperwork. As a result poor quality bootlegs of this fine score started popping up in the U.S.

How did Stage Door achieve such superior sound quality? Did they have any access to master tapes from the Decca/Universal Music family of record labels? Again if this is a dumb question, I apologize for my lack of knowledge.


Just speculation: https://www.discogs.com/Donnybrook-Original-Broadway-Cast-Donnybrook/release/15366728 wink


I'm sorry. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to infer from the information on this link.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 2:08 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Why do you think they didn’t have access?

Yavar


Has Sony ever licensed another label and given it access to original music sessions to remaster and release well known recordings such as these? Just asking. Sony's own CDs of these recordings (but not quadrophonic) are still widely available.


And another UK company - Stage Door - is currently reissuing a few Sony Original Cast Recordings and making a good job of it! And they are legal as well.


Two years ago Stage Door released the first legitimate CD of the OBC recording of DONNYBROOK!, a show with an excellent, underrated score. The sound quality was excellent. This recording could not be legally released in the U.S. by Decca Records because of missing paperwork. As a result poor quality bootlegs of this fine score started popping up in the U.S.

How did Stage Door achieve such superior sound quality? Did they have any access to master tapes from the Decca/Universal Music family of record labels? Again if this is a dumb question, I apologize for my lack of knowledge.


Just speculation: https://www.discogs.com/Donnybrook-Original-Broadway-Cast-Donnybrook/release/15366728 wink


I'm sorry. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to infer from the information on this link.


There was a commercial Reel-to-Reel tape of the album you mention. Stage Door may have mastered from that source. I think they did the same with the "State Fair" soundtrack.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 3:32 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

There was a commercial Reel-to-Reel tape of the album you mention. Stage Door may have mastered from that source. I think they did the same with the "State Fair" soundtrack.


That would put Stage Door in the "gray market" label category, along with Harkit and several other British labels.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 3:36 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

They don't send the TAPES, obviously, they send digital files, we combine the three tracks into two and voila.


Just out of curiosity, in what format do they send those files? FLAC? WAV? And how are they sent? Burned on a CD? Sent via e-mail?

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 4:10 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Just out of curiosity, in what format do they they send those files? FLAC? WAV? And how are they sent? Burned on a CD? Sent via e-mail?


Going from what Lukas said about the James Bond expansions, EMI gave him the digitized session masters on an external hard drive, in Pro Tools (an authoring software format).

There have been other situations, when our boutique labels got the actual tape reels, and they take them to an outside vendor for digital conversion.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 4:44 PM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Why do you think they didn’t have access?

Yavar


Has Sony ever licensed another label and given it access to original music sessions to remaster and release well known recordings such as these? Just asking. Sony's own CDs of these recordings (but not quadrophonic) are still widely available.


And another UK company - Stage Door - is currently reissuing a few Sony Original Cast Recordings and making a good job of it! And they are legal as well.


Two years ago Stage Door released the first legitimate CD of the OBC recording of DONNYBROOK!, a show with an excellent, underrated score. The sound quality was excellent. This recording could not be legally released in the U.S. by Decca Records because of missing paperwork. As a result poor quality bootlegs of this fine score started popping up in the U.S.

How did Stage Door achieve such superior sound quality? Did they have any access to master tapes from the Decca/Universal Music family of record labels? Again if this is a dumb question, I apologize for my lack of knowledge.


They probably used a pristine reel to reel tape issue. Highly doubtful they had access to the original masters. Stage Door is one of those Euro "grey market" labels.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

This question is like asking is Intrada or LLL are legit.

I had never heard of this label. Questions arose about these recordings on a different message board. That is why I asked the question here. I wasn't implying anything. Not everyone is as knowledgeable about these things as some of the people here are. I was (naively, apparently) looking for information, and I received it. That's all.


Well that's just it. If you went to a forum somewhere and someone asked is this 'La La Land' label was legit and how did they manage to have access to the score for Batman, what would you think?

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 6:25 PM   
 By:   Ed   (Member)

And the quadraphonic sound is immersive. I had the quad LPs and these are much better.

It's incredible. In LOST HORIZON the choir enters from the rear (and above) stereo speakers and is joined by the orchestra playing from the front. Amazing and exactly the magical effect the music calls for. Beautifully balanced and directional. The pipe organ is much more distinct than the stereo mix. The 'Bell Sequence" surrounds the listener from every side and the "Funeral Procession" is probably the sonic highlight of the entire series.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2020 - 6:47 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

When Stage Door does stuff like Donnybrook they have NOT licensed it and do NOT have the masters. So, it's either that reel-to-reel tape or an LP transfer - that's IT. Only recently has this company discovered how to properly license stuff and they're licensing from the UK rights' holders for post 1964 titles. Anything from 1964 or prior to that is all LP or reel-to-reel, should the latter exist. And yes, their releasing Donnybrook killed it for a proper release here from the actual master tapes. It's not thrilling to those of us who care about such things, but, as you know, they're not the only country that can play that game. Anything recorded there in the UK prior to 1964 can be done HERE without paying anyone a cent. Funny how that works.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 3:36 AM   
 By:   Tony J   (Member)

This question is like asking is Intrada or LLL are legit.

I had never heard of this label. Questions arose about these recordings on a different message board. That is why I asked the question here. I wasn't implying anything. Not everyone is as knowledgeable about these things as some of the people here are. I was (naively, apparently) looking for information, and I received it. That's all.


Well that's just it. If you went to a forum somewhere and someone asked is this 'La La Land' label was legit and how did they manage to have access to the score for Batman, what would you think?


Definitely a serious blunder on my part. I don't post on FSM as often as I did in the past. I should have done a search for Dutton-Vocalion before posting such a blunt question. I certainly am sorry that my action was so inappropriate.

 
 Posted:   Sep 15, 2020 - 5:31 AM   
 By:   bigjimwilson   (Member)

I wouldn’t worry too much Tony. Legit question, legit label. smile

 
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