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 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 3:41 AM   
 By:   zooba   (Member)

FAME was a wonderful "Song" Score for the movie. It won Best Original Score for a 1980 movie.

The contenders:

THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK - John Williams
THE ELEPHANT MAN - John Morris
ALTERED STATES - John Corigliano
TESS - Phillipe Saarde


What would be your choice for Best Original Score that year?

Now, here are the Nicholas Brothers dancing and presenting the Award:

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 3:45 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

EMPIRE, obviously.

Here's a previous thread on the same topic:

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=132306&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   odelayy   (Member)

For me it would have been Tess without any hesitation. One of my favourite scores ever. Obviously the voters voted for songs not for a score when Fame won. Wrong category.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

FAME was really the one "score" that should not have been nominated, much less won. ALL the others would have been fine. Take away all the songs from FAME, and what are you left with? There is hardly any underscore in FAME at all, and what is there is hardly Academy Award worthy. That was really ludicrous. Songs, yes, sure, and Michael Gore scored other films where a nomination or win would have been perfectly fine, like TERMS OF ENDEARMENT, for example. But not FAME!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

only if you believe the oscars are that important. actually the nominations are more important since they come from votes of fellow composers.

But I love Empire which is one of my favorite Williams (or anyone else for that matter).

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 6:42 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

My choice wasn't nominated: Somewhere in Time.

I also love Tess, Altered States, and The Elephant Man.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   solium   (Member)

I love the FAME album but it doesn't even belong in the Best Score category. Empire should've won. Though the other contenders were good too. The Oscars from joke to woke.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

FAME was really the one "score" that should not have been nominated, much less won. ALL the others would have been fine. Take away all the songs from FAME, and what are you left with? There is hardly any underscore in FAME at all, and what is there is hardly Academy Award worthy. That was really ludicrous. Songs, yes, sure, and Michael Gore scored other films where a nomination or win would have been perfectly fine, like TERMS OF ENDEARMENT, for example. But not FAME!

The same goes for THE BUDDY HOLLY STORY winning best score!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

What would be your choice for Best Original Score that year?

Altered States, by far. Then Tess. TESB is a really impressive score, but it isn't among my better-liked Williams scores.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 11:22 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Any.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Mark R. Y.   (Member)

1. Altered States
2. Tess
3. The Empire Strikes Back
4. The Elephant Man
5. Fame

"Out Here On My Own" from Fame for Best Song.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 12:34 PM   
 By:   John Rokesmith   (Member)

Fame is a worthy Oscar winner for best song but its score nomination should have gone to John Barry for Somewhere in Time.

The other four scores are really good choices by the music branch. I would rate them like this:

1) The Elephant Man
2) The Empire Strikes Back
3) Altered States
4) Tess

Both The Elephant Man and Somewhere in Time are on my personal list of the 10 best scores ever written. 1980 was a good year for film scores.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 12:48 PM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

Do people here think Tess is (over)due for a re-issue or expansion?

A good candidate for a release from Quartet in an anniversary year?

Maybe Elephant Man as well?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 12:51 PM   
 By:   governor   (Member)

Happy for Michael Gore
Great score and songs

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 1:32 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

My post from last year on the other thread, which I believe raises a very interesting (and as yet unanswered) question about what happened here:

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I've been curious about "Fame" for many years, chiefly because of it's Best Original Score Oscar win in a year it competed against "The Empire Strikes Back," "Tess," "Altered States," and "The Elephant Man."

For the longest time - and I don't even remember what my source was for this - it was my understanding that Michael Gore's score for "Fame" was around 15 minutes long and consisted of brief cues that were based on the original songs. So imagine my surprise when I finally sat down and watched this film a few days ago and... there actually isn't any score in "Fame" at all. Not one single cue. Nothing. The closest the soundtrack gets to a film score cue is a scene early on when the students are all jamming with their instruments in the lunch room, but that wasn't really a cue (though I'm guessing it was composed specifically for the scene?) and it also included vocals from Irene Cara, so even that was really more of a song. The rest of the music in "Fame" is either classical source or songs (most of them written for the film, though Hamlisch's "The Way We Were" pops up too). "Fame" doesn't have a score. And yet, it won for Best Original Score.

Does anybody know how this happened?

The only explanation that makes sense to me is that the Academy changed/bent their rules that year in order to be able to define a group of original songs as an Original Score, but that's just speculation on my part. To my knowledge this is the only Best Original Score win of its kind, and I would love to know exactly what happened here and why.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 1:41 PM   
 By:   odelayy   (Member)

Do people here think Tess is (over)due for a re-issue or expansion?

A good candidate for a release from Quartet in an anniversary year?


Oh I would love so much to see a new edition of Tess! at least a remastered one (and an expanded one if possible), the sound on the Universal release is sometimes saturated, Music box record or Quartet could do to a perfect job on this.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 1:43 PM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

Nothing surprises me when it comes to Academy decisions and wins.
They're a complete joke, further evidenced by their new rule change about Best Film and its conditions.
If there is no actual score in Fame, for which it won Best Score Award, that's just hilarious, especially factoring in the quality of the other 4 nominees.
Bunch o' fuckin tossers!

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   odelayy   (Member)

And I've just realized that Fame also won Best song for which it was nominated twice ! It makes sense, don't get me wrong, but nobody saw something was wrong when he won twice the same evening even if it was too late? I wonder what were the reactions at the time. I wish someone had asked Gore "Can you please whistle the main title of the fame score?
No, not that, that's the main song, I'm talking of the main title, you know, the underscore.
No, that's another song.
Try again.
Still not.
Oh well..."

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2020 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

And it wasn't just the Academy. "Fame" was nominated for Best Original Score at the Golden Globes. A lot of people believed that "Fame" had an original score, when in fact it doesn't.

Again I wonder, how and why did a film without a single cue of underscore receive a Golden Globe nomination & an Oscar win for Best Original Score?

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 14, 2020 - 1:19 AM   
 By:   Dylan   (Member)

I would love to read some thoughts about this win from anybody who might have them, especially those in the industry. I personally find it fascinating and bizarre that a nonexistent film score won an Oscar and received a Golden Globe nomination for Best Original Score.

I'm also curious why it seems like no Oscar or film music historian has ever written about this (that I know of).

 
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