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I first read the novel as a kid in the early 80s, several years before the actual wreck of the Titanic was discovered (in 1985). I have never actually seen the movie, though I have seen a few scenes of it over the years on commercial television, including the scene where they actually raise the Titanic. I never watched more than a few minutes though, because I thought if I ever watch it, I want to see it from the beginning.
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Nov 2, 2023 - 4:17 AM
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Network Releasing managed to construct a partial isolated score out of scraps, which do sound muddy, but are clear enough to reveal that the Nic Raine re-recording lacks details that can only be heard in the isolated score track.
I really like Nic's recording, and it's the best thing we have, but I can hear some transcription errors, some missing detail only revealed by the isolated score track, and it lacks the bass presence of the film recording.
That's interesting. I really need to dig out my Network DVD and give it a listen.
When you say muddy, Stephen, how would you compare it soundwise to something like, say, the Mask CD issue of Barry's King Kong (if you have heard it, that is)? I've always found that release to be quite muddy sounding.
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Network Releasing managed to construct a partial isolated score out of scraps, which do sound muddy, but are clear enough to reveal that the Nic Raine re-recording lacks details that can only be heard in the isolated score track.
I really like Nic's recording, and it's the best thing we have, but I can hear some transcription errors, some missing detail only revealed by the isolated score track, and it lacks the bass presence of the film recording.
That's interesting. I really need to dig out my Network DVD and give it a listen.
When you say muddy, Stephen, how would you compare it soundwise to something like, say, the Mask CD issue of Barry's King Kong (if you have heard it, that is)? I've always found that release to be quite muddy sounding.
My guess is that the Mask CD issue of Barry's KING KONG came from a vinyl source, it sounds just like my original LP.
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Oh, the movie is just terrible. And Dirk Pitt has to be the worst character name ever, unless it were in a porn film.
I think Throb would have e been much worse
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When you say muddy, Stephen, how would you compare it soundwise to something like, say, the Mask CD issue of Barry's King Kong (if you have heard it, that is)? I've always found that release to be quite muddy sounding.
The Mask CD of King Kong (a bootleg, by the way) was, as Nic says, transferred from vinyl.
It sounds better than the isolated score track on the Raise The Titanic DVD / BluRay though.
On the Raise The Titanic isolated score tracks, you can hear the extra detail you have no chance of hearing on the fully mixed film soundtrack, and so there was no chance of transcribing them for the re-recording, but it must be said that isolated score track (which is only a partial score) is nevertheless from low grade sources.
Cheers
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As to the film, I don't think it's as bad as some people say it is, but it's definitely not great either.
For the big budget spectacle it was meant to be, it falls short.
If all you expected was a half-decent Sunday afternoon adventure film, your experience of it might fare better.
Cheers
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As Lew Grade quipped, RAISE THE TITANIC was so expensive, it would have been cheaper to lower the Atlantic. That was certainly one of the movie's issues, expectations were very high. This was a big budget prestige affair.
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This is the score that turned me into a certified Barry-phile.
I have no problem with the movie. The score knocks everything up a few levels.
I was very lucky my dad was an HBO subscriber back in the late '70s–early '80s or I'd have missed out on Moonraker, The Black Hole, and Raise the Titanic.
I'm unsure whether I'd have become such a big Barry fan if I'd missed those movies.
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Saw the film upon release, and apart from Barry's ravishing theme and the VFX, I didn't think much of the film. Dull and plodding do come to mind, though.
Of course there was no soundtrack release at the time, but a couple years later perusing the racks at Sam the Record Man I stumbled upon a bootleg compilation that included the opening and closing themes (along with the end title from "The Final Conflict" and other unreleased goodies).
Naturally I bought it.
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Of course there was no soundtrack release at the time, but a couple years later perusing the racks at Sam the Record Man I stumbled upon a bootleg compilation that included the opening and closing themes (along with the end title from "The Final Conflict" and other unreleased goodies).
Was the theatrical release in mono or stereo? I can't remember when movies went to stereo.
Also, was that illegit CD sourced from a film stem do you think, or did somebody have early access to the actual tapes, now lost? If the boot was from the now-lost tapes, that's very compelling.
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Also, was that illegit CD sourced from a film stem do you think, or did somebody have early access to the actual tapes, now lost? If the boot was from the now-lost tapes, that's very compelling.
The bootleg being referred to was an LP.
I have no idea what they had, but you can get the Raise The Titanic Overure, almost all of the Main Title, and that delightful “Floodlight Waltz” sequence clean by just taping it directly off the film.
Cheers
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Apologies if this has been mentioned - but the latest DVD/Bluray of RTT incorporated a 41 minute "suite" of the music from the movie - in film sequence.
As Stephen says and even with my cloth ears, I can notice the differences between the COP recording and Barry's original.
Music from RTT was also used for some of the ITC logo intros - so someone-somewhere must have had access to the original recordings to sample that.
But with advances in AI - who knows, maybe a re-construction of the actual soundtrack may be possible?
Glad to see I'm not the only one who sees AI as a potential tool for re-constructing lost scores. Aside from cues heavily obscured by sound effects, maybe those obscured only by dialogue could be easier to re-construct...
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A.I. isn't a fix for every score. Don't forget scores that have cues chopped up, later-additions laid over, entire cues dropped that only master tapes would reveal, cues faded out early, cues moved around out-of-order that only papers and tapes would reveal, and that even from film -- some film itself doesn't sounds that great (something that can be rectified, though not always, but master tapes use).
I understand that when there are no tapes to be had, this may be the only option, but let us not fall so easily into this being a general option.
Though I wonder, with the constant advances, what it could potentially do with tapes that otherwise are unsalvageable (but no liquified or powdered; that's unusable).
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