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 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

And will them moving in on this catalog hurt the speciality labels currently working with that catalog?

This is indeed the biggest fear. And you can already notice that this year Saimel, Kronos, Beat and Digitmovies have released nothing from the CAM catalogue anymore.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 4:05 AM   
 By:   eda-88   (Member)

Once again they included 'Tette e Antenne, Tetti e Gonne' (Ipocrisia) tune from 'LA SMAGLIATURA' (La Faille) but never released 2-3 alternate versions of that tune.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 4:50 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

This is indeed the biggest fear. And you can already notice that this year Saimel, Kronos, Beat and Digitmovies have released nothing from the CAM catalogue anymore.

That would be a very upsetting news. This year has been quiet so far.

Isn't Rocco e i suoi fratelli (2-CD) from Quartet from the CAM catalogue? Although maybe it was approved before the DECCA contract.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 5:17 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)


That would be a very upsetting news. This year has been quiet so far.

Isn't Rocco e i suoi fratelli (2-CD) from Quartet from the CAM catalogue? Although maybe it was approved before the DECCA contract.


You have to ask Quartet about their deals with Sugar.

I can only tell you that at least at Saimel we can´t release any CAM catalogue titles anymore at the moment. This was the reason we released all those that we still could at the end of last year. And now there seems to be total silence regarding Sugar.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 5:30 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Let's hope that Decca being new in this context, they didn't decide yet whether they will be licensing their catalogue to other labels or release stuff by themselves.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 6:43 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Let's hope that Decca being new in this context, they didn't decide yet whether they will be licensing their catalogue to other labels or release stuff by themselves.

Laurent, it is not Decca who is the licensor of the CAM catalogue, but Sugar in Milan is still the owner of that catalogue. They have formed that partnership with UMG and UMG´s record label Decca to get more worldwide attention for the scores in their CAM catalogue.
You also have to consider that the curator of this new Morricone release is Pierpaolo De Sanctis, who is the founder and manager of the quite successful Four Flies Records label. Maybe Sugar thought they would gain an additional audience by handing something like this over to the trendy Four Flies team. And for me this compilation indeed looks like a typical Four Flies production.
I am not sure what Sugar and UMG´s intentions are for the future and if they will only be interested in such compilations of 70s score material.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 7:09 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

This is not the Morricone of “Mission” or “Once Upon a Time in America” or “The Good, The Bad and The Ugly,” De Sanctis noted.

Instead, “It’s a Morricone tied to genre movies, to Italian ‘gialli’ and French noirs from the early 1970s and Italian experimental films,” he explained. These films include Italian director Claudio Rispoli’s 1972 “Lui Per Lei,” which was never released but has an “incredible soundtrack that mixes experimentation, psychedelia, alternative rock and lounge,” said De Sanctis.

Among other “Morricone Secreto” tracks is an alternative version of the well-known theme from “The Sicilian Clan,” a successful 1969 Mafia movie by French director Henri Verneuil, starring, among others, Alain Delon. The track in the compilation, titled “Il clan dei siciliani (Tema n. 5)” is “much more acid, modern and rock” version of the theme featuring distorted electric guitar and drums.


As a diehard Morricone fan who would never even dream of buying an album like "The Mission," this is right up my alley.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Laurent78   (Member)

Let's hope that Decca being new in this context, they didn't decide yet whether they will be licensing their catalogue to other labels or release stuff by themselves.

Laurent, it is not Decca who is the licensor of the CAM catalogue, but Sugar in Milan is still the owner of that catalogue. They have formed that partnership with UMG and UMG´s record label Decca to get more worldwide attention for the scores in their CAM catalogue.
You also have to consider that the curator of this new Morricone release is Pierpaolo De Sanctis, who is the founder and manager of the quite successful Four Flies Records label. Maybe Sugar thought they would gain an additional audience by handing something like this over to the trendy Four Flies team. And for me this compilation indeed looks like a typical Four Flies production.
I am not sure what Sugar and UMG´s intentions are for the future and if they will only be interested in such compilations of 70s score material.


OK, thanks Stefan for clearing up the whole "deal". I indeed didn't know that Sugar Music was still part of it. Now, the key question truly is what they mean with "getting new worldwide attention for the scores of their CAM catalogue".
Believe it or not, I wasn't aware of the existence of the Four Flies record label although I own one of their titles, Bruno Nicolai's superb GEMINUS.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 7:17 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Believe it or not, I wasn't aware of the existence of the Four Flies record label although I own one of their titles, Bruno Nicolai's superb GEMINUS.

That´s indeed hard to believe smile
Just a few months ago we had a thread about the Four Flies label on this board:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=141063&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 7:57 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

OK, thanks Stefan for clearing up the whole "deal". I indeed didn't know that Sugar Music was still part of it. Now, the key question truly is what they mean with "getting new worldwide attention for the scores of their CAM catalogue".

Four Flies certainly reaches a larger additional audience which doesn´t exist on this board, but is very active on their Facebook website. And as they are quite successful in their policy, Sugar maybe thought that their team would be the best one in marketing older scores from their catalogue.
It is just a bit ridiculous when you look at the press text for this Morricone compilation album and they act as if most of the scores on it had not already been released on CDs by the various soundtrack labels throughout the last 15-20 years:

"Italian music expert and producer Pierpaolo De Sanctis, who curated the “Morricone Segreto” compilation, noted that although a lot of Morricone music has been reprinted over the past decade, what was missing is the side of the composer that made him seminal for a whole generation of musicians that came after him, and whom he influenced.

“I am talking about electronic music, hip hop, alternative rock,” De Sanctis said. “The idea was to go look at why Morricone today is still considered so hip in music circles that are very far-removed from the world of film soundtracks,” he said."
https://variety.com/2020/music/news/morricone-segreto-album-of-hidden-works-including-7-unreleased-tracks-set-for-release-1234804660/

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2020 - 11:59 AM   
 By:   Leo Nicols   (Member)

A recent "promo".......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFL4bWsQxNU

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 2:51 AM   
 By:   slint   (Member)


Four Flies certainly reaches a larger additional audience which doesn´t exist on this board, but is very active on their Facebook website. And as they are quite successful in their policy, Sugar maybe thought that their team would be the best one in marketing older scores from their catalogue.


Sigh, yesterday I saw this debut release of LA PROFESSORESSA DI SCIENZE NATURALI by Alessandroni. But it is also LP only! This time by Sonor editions. If it continues like that I'm afraid the real collectors and labels will just quit.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 5:37 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Sigh, yesterday I saw this debut release of LA PROFESSORESSA DI SCIENZE NATURALI by Alessandroni. But it is also LP only! This time by Sonor editions. If it continues like that I'm afraid the real collectors and labels will just quit.

The Alessandroni score is owned by Beat Records. If Beat had wanted to, they could have released it on CD on their own label, but apparently it was more profitable for them to license it to Sonor Music. And Sonor - just like Four Flies - has of course a large fanbase of vinyl collectors within Italy.

I am also getting a bit worried about what is going on at Digitmovies. We now have end of October and they have not even released one CD title since July which is very unusual for them. There is also no announcement for any future release. And in the previous months before July only reissues of some of their older RCA titles mainly from the cop film genre.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 11:21 AM   
 By:   Pangolino   (Member)

I'd been wondering about the recent slowdown. I had noticed especially with Digitmovies, who had for years been very consistently releasing new scores, and I think the only new one for them recently is "Anima Mia" by Carlo Savina, oddly paired with another of Mr. Savina's scores that had been released not long ago. I had been hoping that if they were re-releasing titles from their own catalogue, they would get to "I Cannibali" - I had purchased it years ago when they had released it. It had traveled from Milan, arrived in my city and was then lost in the post. By the time it had been sorted through the postal system (of course it was never found), that edition was no longer available (unless I could pay a lot of money on the used market). I guess "I Cannibali" is off the table for Digitmovies to reissue, as it would have been published by CAM.

I hope the good days have not gone for good. There are many LP-only releases in the past years, but these are not interesting to me - the shipping costs are astronomical to Canada, and I rent (meaning my home situation is always precarious in shark-infested market-land), so buying heavy things like LPs has become foolish.

I'll do all I can to support the specialty labels like Kronos, Saimel, Beat, Quartet, Digitmovies and Music Box, who do the work of trying to get this music out to people.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 21, 2020 - 12:54 AM   
 By:   McCrutchy   (Member)

There will be a domestic Japanese CD with a bonus track:

https://www.universal-music.co.jp/ennio-morricone/products/uccl-1222/
https://www.amazon.co.jp/dp/B08JVV3BW8/?language=en_US
https://www.cdjapan.co.jp/product/UCCL-1222

It looks like it will be the track "Scivolando Nel Buio" from the film Kill the Fatted Calf and Roast It (Uccidete il vitello grasso e arrostitelo) (1970) which was issued on CD by Digitmovies in 2007:

https://www.discogs.com/release/2720421

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2020 - 4:16 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)

Interesting plot twist, it appears that "Decca (UMO) Classics (CAM)" are now releasing their scores as download-only. At least, it is all available in CD quality.

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/la-voglia-matta-ennio-morricone/eksvja0q828ba
https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/diciottenni-al-sole-ennio-morricone/x4n44xr1ls7tc

 
 Posted:   Oct 23, 2020 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   Saul Pincus   (Member)

Interesting plot twist, it appears that "Decca (UMO) Classics (CAM)" are now releasing their scores as download-only. At least, it is all available in CD quality.

https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/la-voglia-matta-ennio-morricone/eksvja0q828ba
https://www.qobuz.com/gb-en/album/diciottenni-al-sole-ennio-morricone/x4n44xr1ls7tc


This has been the case on 7digital (Canada) for some time – though I've yet to see the titles you list above.

 
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