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 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 4:56 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

Wikipedia (and Discogs) says that Paul Sawtell was "born in Gilve, Poland" ... but there doesn't appear to be any such place. Is this a really bad typo for Gliwice? ... or what? Anybody know?

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 5:43 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

David Schecter of MMM should know since he represents his estate or something. His website also specifies that town as part of Polish Prussia. But it doesnt come up in a google search, which you'd expect even if it no longer exists.
http://www.mmmrecordings.com/Composers/Sawtell/sawtell.html

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 5:45 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

double post

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

Perhaps there was a typo. There was a place named Gilge in that region which today is part of Russia in the exclave of Kaliningrad.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilge

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

Last Child: yeah actually I've just seen the same stated in the liner notes for MMM's "The Last Man on Earth" CD, too (very possibly written by David Schecter, I expect).

Chris - that could be a good call!

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

And there are no hits for Gilve in the german and polish wikipedia. And they have all the old placenames documented there.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   MusicUnite   (Member)

I must say that I too have always found Sawtell's name and country of origin a bit confusing.

The surname "Sawtell" does not seem to be either Polish or German. The name appears to be very English.
I can only imagine that when he moved to the U.S. he anglicized his surname or changed it completely.

The notes on the MMM CD state his place of origin as "Polish Prussia". As some of you may already known, when
Sawtell was born in 1906, Poland as a nation did not exist. Poland was divided between the German, Russian and
Austro-Hungarian empires.

I am guessing that "Polish Prussia" should probably mean the the former German province of East Prussia which is now the modern Kaliningrad enclave of Russia.

So, was Sawtell a Pole or a German? If he did hail from East Prussia, I suspect the later.

Interesting topic!

Jay

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 9:35 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

He may have changed/Anglicized his last name upon coming to America, true, but it’s also possible that some male ancestor came to Eastern Europe from England. Right?

I mean...I was born in Illinois but my father came to the US from Iran, which is quite a further distance. smile

Gustav Holst doesn’t exactly sound British, name-wise...

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 9:55 AM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

From the Find-A-Polish-Town site:

All records and structures of Gilve, Poland, were eradicated by government decree after an outbreak of vampirism in the 1930s. The site of the old town was leveled and buried under a blanket of garlic and a thick coating of cement. To this day, a mere mention of the place is prohibited by law.
Several vampires were suspected of escaping the country however. Some fled to the United States where they worked under assumed names and blended into new societies.
One such escapee from Poland was said to be Paul "Longtooth" Krzitlewicz, who is said to have admitted to a colleague, a composer by the name of Shefter, that he personally "saw" the horror of the vampire hunt in his native land and lived to "tell" of it. Hence his use of the assumed name, "Saw-Tell".
Saw-Tell then used his powers of vampirism to gain control of Shefter's mind and forced the composer to add Saw-Tell's name to Shefter's composing credits, thereby giving Saw-Tell a plausible professional identity in the USA.
Shefter tried to expose Saw-Tell at one point, by composing music for the Vincent Price vampire film "The Last Man On Earth" which he hoped might draw attention to Saw-Tell's true identity. But Price is said to have warned Saw-Tell of Shefter's ruse and the vampire avoided detection.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 10:26 AM   
 By:   mgh   (Member)

From the Find-A-Polish-Town site:

All records and structures of Gilve, Poland, were eradicated by government decree after an outbreak of vampirism in the 1930s. The site of the old town was leveled and buried under a blanket of garlic and a thick coating of cement. To this day, a mere mention of the place is prohibited by law.
Several vampires were suspected of escaping the country however. Some fled to the United States where they worked under assumed names and blended into new societies.
One such escapee from Poland was said to be Paul "Longtooth" Krzitlewicz, who is said to have admitted to a colleague, a composer by the name of Shefter, that he personally "saw" the horror of the vampire hunt in his native land and lived to "tell" of it. Hence his use of the assumed name, "Saw-Tell".
Saw-Tell then used his powers of vampirism to gain control of Shefter's mind and forced the composer to add Saw-Tell's name to Shefter's composing credits, thereby giving Saw-Tell a plausible professional identity in the USA.
Shefter tried to expose Saw-Tell at one point, by composing music for the Vincent Price vampire film "The Last Man On Earth" which he hoped might draw attention to Saw-Tell's true identity. But Price is said to have warned Saw-Tell of Shefter's ruse and the vampire avoided detection.


I'm glad somebody has finally given a rational explanation of this.

 
 Posted:   Oct 20, 2020 - 11:19 AM   
 By:   dtw   (Member)

Ha! Thanks for the contributions everyone!

 
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