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 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 12:54 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I've been going through a bit of a Varese kick these days and listening to Ameriques I hear so many scores that were clearly influenced by it

Poltergeist- Goldsmith (rhythmic and textural figures)
Planet of the Apes- Goldsmith (orchestration, sound masses)
Evil Dead- Banos (fire siren)
Dragonslayer- North (those rise chromatic wind figures and sound blocks, trilling brass figures)

Now this isn't the slag those composers or scores. On the contrary, it's amazing that some of Varese was able to make its way into popular film music.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 12:55 PM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)



Fixed your embedded video. wink I seem to be doing that a lot these days.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 1:20 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

much obliged

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 1:56 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I think Varese's Ionisation, an all-percussive piece, has been very influential in film music. Jerry Fielding comes to mind. Outside of film music, Frank Zappa was so influenced by Varese that when he was young he wrote Varese letters and attempted to meet him in Greenwich Village (Varese was In Europe at the time). Zappa's large orchestral pieces owe a lot to Varese.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 2:04 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

They must of been a yuge influence on labels such as BSX Records and Tapes.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 2:59 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I've been going through a bit of a Varese kick these days ... it's amazing that some of Varese was able to make its way into popular film music.


Some folks were chatting about Edgard V over 10 years ago. smile

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?pageID=1&forumID=1&threadID=67372&archive=0

To my ears, one of the earliest film scores to contain Varese-like passages was one of Ennio Morricone's 1966 Euro-Westerns La resa dei conti (known here in '68 as The Big Gundown).

https://youtu.be/Virarobn3-8?list=PLDmdF1ma6cZoUvBIxILu0S9ZgMa8eFtc3

https://youtu.be/U-j9SaJ6D08?list=PLDmdF1ma6cZoUvBIxILu0S9ZgMa8eFtc3

https://youtu.be/-Zyxnf9Dc8c?list=PLDmdF1ma6cZoUvBIxILu0S9ZgMa8eFtc3

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

One nice thing about being on a Varese kick is that his compositional output was relatively small. Thirteen pieces, I think. In the pre-CD days I believe I owned everything of his on 3 lps.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   Dana Wilcox   (Member)

In the late 60s my friends and I used to get "herbed up" and listen to Edgar Varese -- unquestionably the best for that, far better even than the Allman Brothers for "sensory surprises," as are so appreciated in that particular state of mind.

 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 5:01 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

I hear some influence of this in Corigliano's "Creations" as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 14, 2020 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Some other nice choices in the world of 20th Century avant-garde classical, for the herb-up listener:

Morton Subotnick: Silver Apples of the Moon
Harry Partch: Delusion of the Fury
John Cage: Music For Keyboard 1935--1948 (Jeanne Kirstein)
George Crumb: Ancient Voices of Children

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 7:27 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

I would always find Varese and John Cage albums at library sales. They were always in mint condition: No one had ever checked them out.

Incidentally, I file Varese in the Space-Age Bachelor Pad section, because he is very much of the era.

I love the Columbia LP where he looks like an evil scientist on the cover.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Graham Watt   (Member)

I think Varese's Ionisation, an all-percussive piece, has been very influential in film music. Jerry Fielding comes to mind. Outside of film music, Frank Zappa was so influenced by Varese that when he was young he wrote Varese letters and attempted to meet him in Greenwich Village (Varese was In Europe at the time). Zappa's large orchestral pieces owe a lot to Varese.

Was it Zappa's "Envelopes" the main one which was inspired by "Ionisation"? Yes, definite Fielding connection there. I love the way that the more one learns, the more one sees the degree of universal sharing in music. So whereas I used to be "disappointed" that my beloved film composers didn't actually live in a vacuum, now I'm actually more appreciative of everyone.

 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Jim Phelps   (Member)



The above video has 30 views in just over three years! The kids they like the Varèse!

I only know Edgar Varèse “Ecuatorial”, which I heard in the film Another Woman. It served as the underscore to a character relating to a Klimt painting.

It made me feel like a big-shot intellectual when I heard it all those years ago. I hope this music influenced Goldsmith.

That’s all I wanted to say.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

I would always find Varese and John Cage albums at library sales. They were always in mint condition: No one had ever checked them out.

Incidentally, I file Varese in the Space-Age Bachelor Pad section, because he is very much of the era.

I love the Columbia LP where he looks like an evil scientist on the cover.


Which album?


or


Edgar & Igor



Here's Edgar ... er ... a mad scientist ... who built a "Robot" on DOCTOR WHO:

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 9:33 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Which album?

This one. Unfortunately, my copy is stereo, and not mono like that in the image.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 12:49 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Onya, I have several groupings of lp covers framed in my music/writing area, and I alternate them every few months or so. I currently have a grouping of six 20th Century composers, and that Varese lp of yours is included.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 1:25 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Onya, I have several groupings of lp covers framed in my music/writing area, and I alternate them every few months or so. I currently have a grouping of six 20th Century composers, and that Varese lp of yours is included.

How do you get any work done with that madman staring at you?!?

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

At least he didn't have a ponytail or a comb over.

P.S. I also get very strange looks from the other 5 in the group: Harry Partch, Shostakovich, Cage, Stravinsky, and Prokofiev.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 15, 2020 - 4:51 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

At least he didn't have a ponytail or a comb over.

Or a lavender scarf.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 16, 2020 - 1:29 AM   
 By:   gyorgyL   (Member)

I've been going through a bit of a Varese kick these days and listening to Ameriques I hear so many scores that were clearly influenced by it

Poltergeist- Goldsmith (rhythmic and textural figures)
Planet of the Apes- Goldsmith (orchestration, sound masses)
Evil Dead- Banos (fire siren)
Dragonslayer- North (those rise chromatic wind figures and sound blocks, trilling brass figures)

Now this isn't the slag those composers or scores. On the contrary, it's amazing that some of Varese was able to make its way into popular film music.



20: 46 Alien wink

 
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