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 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:09 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Quoting from the official La-La Land Records Black Friday press release, emphasis mine:
"La-La Land Records and 20th Century Studios proudly present a new collection of classic Jerry Goldsmith scores for film and television composed for 20th Century Fox: GOLDSMITH AT 20th. Bringing back out-of-print favorites while also debuting previously unreleased music, this collection will feature new authoritative liner notes and unified packaging sure to please avid collectors but also serve as a perfect gateway for listeners experiencing this music for the first time.
Look for more “GOLDSMITH AT 20th” releases coming from La-La Land Records next year!"

I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the bolded parts of what LLL wrote; maybe they missed it amid the jokes about The Blue Max being given yet another edition (hey guys it's out of print again; do you think it should be?) But for me, it was easily the most exciting part of LLL's Black Friday announcement: previously unreleased Jerry Goldsmith at 20th Century Fox music is coming next year! So, prompted by a request from Jay at JWFan, I thought I'd provide a list of everything Goldsmith did for the studio (that I'm aware of -- it's possible there's another unsold pilot or something I don't know about; I only found out about one of these this past year), so we fans can speculate and get excited here about what might be coming...

Since I'm also excited by the fact that this is a series for his scores for film *and* television, I have split TV off into its own list. Titles in bold have not yet been released complete on CD (but in some cases it is because cues are lost and that's impossible.)

Here's my post at JWFan which has a bit better formatting:
https://www.jwfan.com/forums/index.php?/topic/33272-goldsmith-at-20th-new-series-of-releases-by-la-la-land/&do=findComment&comment=1762880

Jerry Goldsmith at 20th Century Fox (film)

Release Date Title
12/20/60 Flaming Star
(Jerry wrote the excellent 2:14 finale cue "Pacer's Farewell" only, released with original cues by other composers only on the Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track...I'll speculate that the Elvis involvement might make a CD album release tricky to license.)
6/19/63 The Stripper (I always assumed the 2001 FSM premiere release was complete as their releases usually were, but surprisingly it doesn't explicitly claim to be in the liner notes booklet or on the product page; its pairing on the disc, Nick Quarry, is on the other hand stated to be the complete score. So perhaps there's room for expansion on this title, however slight, and probably a good chance of improved sound on a reissue.)
11/13/63 Take Her, She's Mine (A handful of cues are missing from the Intrada premiere album earlier this year, which will probably remain forever lost/unsalvageable. We're lucky to have gotten anything!)
7/22/64 Shock Treatment (I've heard there's a single cue missing from the Intrada 2013 expansion, around three minutes in length. I have yet to verify.)
9/30/64 Fate Is the Hunter (As far as I know the 2013 Intrada expansion is complete.)
10/28/64 Rio Conchos (The FSM and far better-sounding Kritzerland and La-La Land editions are all complete.)
6/23/65 Von Ryan's Express (Someone on the FSM board claimed there was a short cue still omitted from the 2013 Intrada expansion; it hasn't been added to the new LLL version so perhaps it was tracked in or perhaps it is lost. I have yet to verify, comparing against the film.)
8/25/65 Morituri (The new Intrada expansion from earlier this year is finally complete, restoring about a minute of music that was edited out on the FSM due to damage.)
10/7/65 The Artist Who Did Not Want to Paint (Varese Sarabande twice released this complete; I also highly recommend the complete Intrada recording with the London Symphony Orchestra from the late 80s under Goldsmith's baton.)
1/16/66 Our Man Flint (The more recent Intrada Flint twofer is of the unique album recordings. The Varese twofer from the 90s is only about half of each Flint score film recording; the Twilight Time Blu-ray features a full isolated music-only score track, but it replicates film micro-edits and actually omits some music present on the album. We need a true complete-as-recorded edition on CD, but album rights lie with Varese in perpetuity.)
6/15/66 Stagecoach (Intrada released the unique album recording from original tapes; the FSM and later LLL edition are the film recording, both complete length-wise but the LLL adds a few previously missing overlays.)
6/21/66 The Blue Max (The LLL edition is complete, and IMO the best sounding release of this score's film recording.)
12/20/66 The Sand Pebbles (The still in-print Intrada 2CD edition released in 2011 is the most complete, but one cue "A Crushing Affair" had to be taken from a music-and-effects source.)
3/15/67 In Like Flint (The more recent Intrada Flint twofer is of the unique album recordings. The Varese twofer from the 90s is only about half of each Flint score film recording; the Twilight Time Blu-ray features a full isolated music-only score track, but it replicates film micro-edits and actually omits some music present on the album. We need a true complete-as-recorded edition on CD, but album rights lie with Varese in perpetuity.)
8/22/67 The Flim-Flam Man (The FSM claimed to be complete, but LLL just added a missing 51 second cue...so presumably it's complete now?)
4/3/68 Planet of the Apes (The new LLL edition in last year's PotA box set is complete with all overlays and sweeteners intact and far better sound than the Varese edition.)
5/28/68 The Detective (Varese, Intrada, and now LLL have all released the same 12 track program which omits the source music and most importantly, two score cues, "The Execution" and "The Killing". The Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track does include these, although the latter, more important, cue has some minor sound effects as it came from a music and effects source. Since the disc was only 53 minutes long I really wish these cues had been included.)
6/1/68 Bandolero! (The later Intrada and remastered LLL editions are both complete.)
3/26/69 100 Rifles (The FSM and remastered LLL editions are both complete.)
6/25/69 The Chairman (The Varese at Fox box premiered one previously unreleased cue in a suite, which made it to the digital release of the score. Apart from that the rest of the score appears lost, as even the Mattesino-produced Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated score track had to resort to a music-and-effects (and a lot of spoken Chinese, alas) track. We need a complete new recording of this masterpiece from the original written scores.)
8/6/69 Justine (According to the post from chromaparadise/John O'Callaghan below on May 16, 2021, there are at least four cues from the film recording which the Varese Deluxe Edition omitted)
4/2/70 Patton (The still in-print 2010 Intrada 2CD edition features both the complete film recording and album recording together.)
9/23/70 Tora! Tora! Tora! (The FSM and later remastered LLL editions are both complete.)
5/26/71 Escape from the Planet of the Apes (The Varese Club standalone CD and LLL PotA box set editions are both complete.)
6/11/71 The Mephisto Waltz (The Varese 90s CD paired with The Other is supposedly complete length-wise, but is a weird mix and leaves off certain overlays and sweeteners, so needs a new edition a la Planet of the Apes.)
5/26/72 The Other (Released as a single 22-minute track "bonus suite" with The Mephisto Waltz in the 90s, over half of this score is unreleased on CD. As with the Flint scores, the Twilight Time Blu-ray has an excellent isolated music track, but this features film edits and there is still music on the CD suite but not on the iso. A new complete-as-recorded edition on CD is a must.)
4/1/73 Ace Eli and Rodger of the Skies (I always assumed the 2001 FSM premiere release was complete as their releases usually were, but surprisingly it doesn't explicitly claim to be in the liner notes booklet or on the product page; its pairing on the disc, Room 222, is on the other hand stated to be everything Goldsmith recorded for that series. So perhaps there's room for expansion on this title, however slight, and probably a good chance of improved sound on a reissue, since the bonus section features damaged stereo tracks like the old FSM Towering Inferno did.)
9/5/74 S*P*Y*S (The Varese Goldsmith at Fox box is missing at least a third of the score. I always hoped that tapes for the John Scott score for the international release of the film might be found and included on a twofer with this, though if it ends up expanded in LLL's series that now seems unlikely.)
3/14/75 Ransom (aka The Terrorists) (The complete film recording appears lost; the miserable-sounding and terribly produced original LP appears to be the only surviving music source for this score, of which a decent chunk remains unreleased.)
10/29/75 Take a Hard Ride (The FSM and later remastered LLL editions are both complete.)
6/25/76 The Omen (Technically the Varese 40th Anniversary Edition is lacking a clean ending to one cue it crossfades with another, but otherwise it is complete. That clean ending can meanwhile be found on the isolated score track on certain editions of the film.)
10/21/77 Damnation Alley (The Intrada expansion is complete-as-composed, thanks to Leigh Phillips re-performing most of the synth elements in 2017. The original synth overlays have apparently been lost to time, so technically the film performance with those remains unreleased until and unless those are uncovered somehow.)
6/9/78 Damien: Omen II (The Varese Deluxe Edition features both the unique album recording and complete film recording, but the latter suffers from damage on certain cues and could probably be repaired and remastered to sound a lot better, given advances in technology over the past couple decades since its release.)
11/8/78 Magic (The Varese premiere CD was missing a single 23 second cue, which the later LLL edition added making the score truly complete.)
5/25/79 Alien (The 2007 Intrada 2 CD release features all the music recorded for the film.)
3/20/81 The Final Conflict (The Varese Deluxe Edition left off four cues; here's hoping this gets a 40th Anniversary Edition next year just like the original Omen score.)
10/7/88 Alien Nation (unused) (The Varese CD and Kritzerland reissue are both complete.)
2/4/91 Sleeping with the Enemy (The LLL expansion is complete and on the verge of selling out -- go grab one if you want one!)
2/5/93 The Vanishing (I used to think the Varese Club edition was complete but someone here -- I think it was maybe Justin Boggan? -- told me it beyond a doubt was not; I don't know details and haven't verified.)
4/22/94 Bad Girls (The LLL expansion is complete.)
8/2/96 Chain Reaction (The Varese Deluxe Edition is complete.)
9/26/97 The Edge (The LLL expansion is complete but could sure use better artwork/packaging!)


Jerry Goldsmith at 20th Century Fox Television

Air Date Title

9/19/65 Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea "Jonah and the Whale" (The LLL expansion in their series box set earlier this year is complete, and even includes a previously unknown theme re-do Goldsmith came back to record a week later.)
9/18/65 The Loner "An Echo of Bugles" (The FSM and later remastered LLL editions feature everything Goldsmith recorded for this series, albeit annoyingly in one lump track per episode rather than individual titled cues.)
10/16/65 The Loner "One of the Wounded" (see above)
3/14/66 The Legend of Jesse James "Things Just Don't Happen" (This unreleased western TV show -- though UCLA has copies of the entire single season run I think -- is supposed to feature a single Goldsmith score for this episode.)
rec. 1968 Nick Quarry (unaired, unsold pilot) (The FSM premiere release of this with The Stripper is complete.)
9/17/69 Room 222 "Richie's Story" (pilot, aka "The Problem with Ritchie")
10/15/69 Room 222 "The Flu" (Both episode scores are complete on the FSM premiere CD.)
8/26/70 Prudence and the Chief (unsold pilot) (This retelling of Anna and the King set in the west has a fantastic Goldsmith western score, from which he re-used the main theme as a secondary theme in Rio Lobo later that same year.)
12/4/70 Bracken's World "A Score Without Strings" (Goldsmith's score, and score-within-a-score, can be heard in the full episode at this link from Ray Faiola: https://vimeo.com/481240210)
9/17/72 Anna and the King "Pilot" (The Varese Goldsmith at Fox box includes all but a handful of very short cues. The biggest omission is the second half of the "March of the Royal Children" which is awkwardly edited out, even though it plays mostly "in the clear" during the episode itself.)
10/15/72 Anna and the King "Anna's Romance" (The Fox box only includes two cues from this score.)
11/12/72 Anna and the King "The Chimes" (The Fox box also only includes two cues from this score.)
3/27/74 A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (The Varese Fox box includes about half of this gorgeous half hour score; it is one of my most wanted expansions from this new LLL series.)
rec. 1974 The Best of Times (unaired, unsold pilot) (I found this in the UCLA archives and what a premiere it could be, if found in the vaults! Sounds like it would be Goldsmith's An American Tail... "Topol plays a carpenter who heads an immigrant family living on the Lower East Side of New York in 1912." https://cinema.library.ucla.edu/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=137&recCount=50&recPointer=259&bibId=159724)
6/18/75 A Girl Named Sooner (Goldsmith's final known TV project for Fox; the only edition is the FSM paired with The Flim-Flam Man, and it is supposed to be complete although its companion score was said to be as well, but just got expanded, so one never knows.)

So Jerry did at least 28 scores for Fox (that we know of) in the 60s (21 film scores and 7 TV scores), 23 scores for Fox in the 70s (14 film scores and 9 TV scores), only 2 film scores in the 80s, and 5 in the 90s. I am excluding the Fox films The Culpepper Cattle Co. and The Last Hard Men, which re-used his music from other Fox productions. The latter did get unique recordings of those pieces conducted by Lionel Newman, which Intrada released complete in 2012 along with the Leonard Rosenman rejected score. As with Pursuit, Fox seems to have perhaps had some involvement with The Boys from Brazil, but Intrada's expanded release of that score doesn't mention Fox anywhere in the fine print so I don't think it's something they own tapes or music rights to.

So...what possibilities are folks here most excited for? I think for me it's having everything Goldsmith wrote and recorded for A Tree Grows in Brooklyn, S*P*Y*S, and also those completely unreleased TV items if they can be found in the vaults: The Best of Times, Prudence and the Chief, Bracken's World, The Legend of Jesse James... I also very much want everything Goldsmith wrote for Anna and the King, but I'd kinda prefer that get its own release outside of this Goldsmith at 20th series, because upon watching the show I was actually super impressed by the quality of dramatic music other composers supplied to the series as well. If LLL is able to do a fuller series soundtrack release along the lines of the Planet of the Apes TV series (or at least a single full disc if not two), that would make me really happy.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Jerry Goldsmith at 20th Century Fox Television

Air Date Title

9/19/65 Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea "Jonah and the Whale" (The LLL expansion in their series box set earlier this year is complete, and even includes a previously unknown theme re-do Goldsmith came back to record a week later.)


Still missing the percussive effet overlay in the titles and the underscore. Also, The Satan Bug?

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:35 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I admire your enthusiasm, Yavar. I'm happy for new Goldsmith, but honestly just as happy Fox titles are apparently accessible again. I haven't seen that mentioned yet and it's a Black Friday gift all its own.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:41 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I admire your enthusiasm, Yavar. I'm happy for new Goldsmith, but honestly just as happy Fox titles are apparently accessible again. I haven't seen that mentioned yet and it's a Black Friday gift all its own.

I'm pretty sure all of these were licensed before the transition was completed. Mike Mattesino reached out to the labels for their wishlists early last year. You'll learn more in a Goldsmith Odyssey podcast with him, releasing later this week, about Take Her, She's Mine. We may do one on the new Goldsmith at 20th series too.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Still missing the percussive effect overlay in the titles and the underscore. Also, The Satan Bug?

The Satan Bug is not Fox but United Artists, licensed by FSM from MGM. Thanks for the reminder about the missing overlay; didn't realize it was also used in the underscore. Maybe it'll be found and released on a Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea Volume 2, some day.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   Traveling Matt   (Member)

I'm pretty sure all of these were licensed before the transition was completed. Mike Mattesino reached out to the labels for their wishlists early last year. You'll learn more in a Goldsmith Odyssey podcast with him, releasing later this week, about Take Her, She's Mine. We may do one on the new Goldsmith at 20th series too.

Yavar


Damn, that window is both endless and such a tease. Oh well. At least it feels good to see the stuff coming while it still does.

Cool news re: the podcast!

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:43 AM   
 By:   chriss   (Member)

It would be wonderful to get a release of Anna and the King including the scores by Richard Shores.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 11:50 AM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Great work as always, Yavar, thanks for listing this. THE OTHER is the primary score from this list that I would want, seeing as how the of my favorite Goldsmith/Fox scores have had deluxe, complete, sonically sound releases. I didn't realize there was missing source cues from THE DETECTIVE, though?

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 12:20 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

It would be wonderful to get a release of Anna and the King including the scores by Richard Shores.

I'm still working my way through the series (I might have finished it by now if I had it in English, but it's only been released in German, outside the pilot episode), but his scores are *excellent*, and I was also impressed with Arthur Morton's score for the third episode, "The Baby" -- he provides excellent development of the Goldsmith while also writing a lovely new theme and other ideas.

Great work as always, Yavar, thanks for listing this. THE OTHER is the primary score from this list that I would want, seeing as how the of my favorite Goldsmith/Fox scores have had deluxe, complete, sonically sound releases. I didn't realize there was missing source cues from THE DETECTIVE, though?

To be fair, I have no idea if they were arranged/recorded specifically for this film, or if they were in the Fox library of source cues or something, and tracked in. My audio rip of the excellent Mike Mattesino-produced Twilight Time Blu-ray isolated track runs 25 minutes long, including two unreleased source cues: "Hot Dog" from A Certain Smile, by Sammy Fain & Paul Francis Webster, which comes between "The School Dance" and "A New Love"... and something called "The Bar" ("Again", by Lionel Newman & Dorcas Cochran) which is connected to Jerry's "The Ball Game" cue. Then there's the sound effects-free score cue "The Execution" in between the released cues "Karen's Story" and "Night Talk", and the much more important but with minor sound effects cue, "The Killing" -- this comes right before "Joe's Decision" (End Titles) and is actually the longest cue in the score.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 12:32 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

As I mentioned in another thread, we still need the Bandolero Main Title without the recurring and distracting loud hiss that makes it sound like the whistler is taking a shower while he's whistling. Surely it can't be too difficult with today's technology to cure a couple of sections of extreme hiss without spoiling the sound of a whistler. If they give us another Bandolero, please rid us of that hiss!

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 3:49 PM   
 By:   Ray Worley   (Member)

I hope you are correct about some of this, Yavar. There is some a great stuff that COULD be on future "Jerry at 20th".
Unfortunately, for me anyway, there was nothing in the first 2 releases to tempt me. Not enough unreleased music and the sound on what I have is perfectly OK with me. I'm just not going to double-dip (or in the case THE BLUE MAX, dip for a 6th time) just for liner notes.
It is great thing that these are out there for those who don't have them or crave those slight increases in sound.
I'll eagerly await unreleased scores or SIGNIFICANT increases in quality or quantity of scores I have.

 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 7:13 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I think for LLL to tout "previously unreleased music" coming up in their press release, some of these upcoming things have to be more substantial expansions than the 51 seconds that just got added to The Flim-Flam Man.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 1, 2020 - 7:31 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Talk about a flim flam.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2020 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   rickO   (Member)

This looks a really nice series. I remember way back in 2004 when Varese released JERRY GOLDSMITH at 20TH CENTURY FOX, and how that became a bit of a collector's item. To get these dusted off again, even after having the newer re-issues of many of these titles since the Fox Box, is an okay thing to me, especially for keeping them in print and available to a newer generation.

I have some thoughts and "fantasies" about what we fans may have coming our way in the next year.

I for one would LOVE to see this happen

GOLDSMITH at 20TH Vol. (??) - THE OMEN TRILOGY

(Forgive my use of the question marks, since this totally "hypothetical" release lives only in my imagination, and if such a set were to happen, then this is kind of how I would see them branding it.
And who knows what the Volume number would even be!)

I can almost imagine it looking somewhat like their PLANET OF THE APES set, with a nice slipcase, maybe be a 3 CD Set or more? Hard to say, depending on what is unearthed.

THE OMEN - The 40th Anniversary CD from Varese was a solid product, and I love how they brought back that cool key cover art. I don't see too many improvements being made here, except perhaps maybe we could get the film takes of the cues? My ear insists that the Varese CDs only give us the album takes and slightly different takes of the music as heard in the film. And also it would be nice if anything else could be uncovered, like the film version of "The Dog", and the whisper chants heard near the end of the movie.

DAMIEN OMEN II - This goes without saying -- the Varese is well out of print. I am sure current tech could really bring the sound up to par also.

THE FINAL CONFLICT -- The Varese release from 2001 is a terrific disc with vastly improved sound, but I truly believe we could get an even better sound mix with current tech and really knock this one out of the park. Plus we could get the unreleased material still out there for this one....

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Another dream release I would appreciate would be this:

GOLDSMITH AT 20th Vol. (??): THE MEPHISTO WALTZ & THE OTHER

This one would be a 2CD set (to my mind). Disc 1 (Mephisto) featuring all of the material recorded for the film and with all of the sweeteners intact, and in first generation sound. Hey, a man can dream, right?. Disc 2 would be all of The Other in great sound and complete. And with separately indexed tracks this time. smile

-Rick O.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 14, 2020 - 8:16 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Speculation: there will be a 60th anniversary edition of The Blue Max in 2026.

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2020 - 5:00 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)


GOLDSMITH at 20TH Vol. (??) - THE OMEN TRILOGY


I would support this.

THE OMEN itself doesn't really warrant a new release, although, as you said, some things could be done.

For instance, 'The Altar' and the opening title version of Ave Satani could be presented separately, allowing the full ending of 'The Altar' to be heard instead of lost in the join. It would also allow the opening title version of Ave Satani to be put at the front, and the end title version at the end.

If it exists (it seemingly doesn't), the whispering that we hear when Thorn and the dog stalk each other, which remains mysteriously absent...

And although the revised 'dog' cue was not Goldsmith but library music overdubbed with a splatting synth, it would be cool if that could be on it, because it was a cool track.

But in and of itself, it's not a title that needs re-doing.

DAMIEN—OMEN II, however, as you say, is well out of print and could stand a sonic improvement that may now be possible. And THE FINAL CONFLICT could be made definitive.

And if you're doing those two, you may as well make it a trilogy set and do those final tweaks on THE OMEN.

Yes, I would love that.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Dec 15, 2020 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   dave norris   (Member)

Ransom was made and released by British Lion in the UK. Fox released this domestically I understand so the link is tenuous. I have a soft spot for Ransom the movie & the score & bought the LP on release, it’s a bit of as mess so I’d welcome something new/more

 
 Posted:   May 1, 2021 - 11:34 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Bumping this for the announcement of Volume III today — since it’s S*P*Y*S (19 minutes released by Varese) and The Stripper (45 minutes on the FSM) as a two disc set, that must mean there is substantially more new music than I could have imagined! Great news.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2021 - 11:39 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

MORE S*P*Y*S!!!
The Horror.
The Horror.

 
 
 Posted:   May 1, 2021 - 12:44 PM   
 By:   Jameson281   (Member)

12/12/72 Pursuit (I didn't know this lost TV movie score was a Fox project, but Wikipedia claims it was a 20th Century Fox Television production, even though the DVD release is from MGM. So I'm not sure whether this qualifies as a Fox owned thing, even if tapes were found.)

Distribution rights to the 1972 PURSUIT are with ABC/Buena Vista/Disney. The reason the DVD came from MGM is because it was included in a package of ABC-owned titles. The package also included the Selznick titles and things like THE NIGHT STALKER TV movie, KRAKATOA EAST OF JAVA, etc. Kino subsequently released most of that package on Blu-ray, including PURSUIT.

 
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