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 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Johnny W   (Member)

Another fail in the history of LOTR CR.

The official 24/48 Hi-rez version of Fellowship (available on sites like HDtracks and highresaudio) is 1/3 upscaled CD quality. Specifically disc 3 or on this release track 29 to 37.

For 30 euros you would think they could check these things.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 9, 2021 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

It boggles me how only a selection is upscaled. That's just weird.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 5:29 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Oomph! Is the one on Qobuz the same?

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

Disc rot does exist and it's a well understood phenomenon.

No, not every disc will rot. Most won't. But some will. And, yes, it is because of poor pressing, but it is nevertheless a very gradual process that can take years.

Just because there are CDs that are 30 years old that haven't rotted, it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Laserdiscs were particularly prone to it, presumably because of their greater size. I had first edition laserdiscs of Star Wars and The Omen, neither of which played by the time I finally gave up my laser disc player.

In terms of CDs, my first Silva Screen CD of Damien Omen II rotted.

I presume that in those occasions where you have to bend the disc nearly in half to get it out of it's holder, you increase the chances of breaking the seals slightly and letting the oxygen in.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 11:53 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

I'm rather shocked that this wonderful set is suffering from a "disease" that I though was extinct.

I have not played mine in ages, because I have ripped the high-res audio files years ago.

 
 Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

  • Would it be correct to assume that these 24bit versions are equivalent to the blu-ray versions?

    FOTR: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b19c2ba0c5a5df9d992
    TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e8e1c4a48fd91fa2528bc58
    ROTK: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea046dc2ba0c5a5df9d507


  • Not quite. These are hi res stereo tracks. The DVD-As and Blu-Ray Audio discs are in 5.1 Surround.

    Thanks, good to know.


    The DVD-As and the Blu-Ray Audio discs have both HD 5.1 and HD stereo tracks. Would be shocking and obviously a mistake if the HD stereo tracks are upscaled?

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     Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 12:00 PM   
     By:   Spymaster   (Member)

    The DVD-As and the Blu-Ray Audio discs have both HD 5.1 and HD stereo tracks. Would be shocking and obviously a mistake if the HD stereo tracks are upscaled?

    My understanding from the posts above is that the DVD-A and BD discs are fully, native Hi-Res, and it's "only" the Hi-Res editon that out there for digital sale that's partially upscaled. Is that the case?

     
     Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 12:10 PM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

    The DVD-As and the Blu-Ray Audio discs have both HD 5.1 and HD stereo tracks. Would be shocking and obviously a mistake if the HD stereo tracks are upscaled?

    My understanding from the posts above is that the DVD-A and BD discs are fully, native Hi-Res, and it's "only" the Hi-Res editon that out there for digital sale that's partially upscaled. Is that the case?


    Yes, that's what I understood as well. What I meant is that it would be shocking and obviously a mistake if the HD stereo tracks for download are upscaled. Obviously, the HD stereo tracks exist and were already made for the DVD-A and Blu-ray audio disc. It seems like a mistake to sell upscaled versions of it as HD tracks. Well, either a mistake or downright fraud. :-)
    Unless -- as it was Fellowship mentioned -- wasn't there some issue that some tracks were recorded with a different orchestra in a different recording venue? Not sure, it's been a while that I read about that.

     
     
     Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 5:18 PM   
     By:   TerraEpon   (Member)

    . It seems like a mistake to sell upscaled versions of it as HD tracks. Well, either a mistake or downright fraud. :-)

    And unfortunately far more common than most people realize. Many a wasted dollar has been spent on fake HD downloads.

     
     Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:06 PM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Would it be correct to assume that these 24bit versions are equivalent to the blu-ray versions?

    FOTR: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b19c2ba0c5a5df9d992
    TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5e8e1c4a48fd91fa2528bc58
    ROTK: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea046dc2ba0c5a5df9d507

  • Not quite. These are hi res stereo tracks. The DVD-As and Blu-Ray Audio discs are in 5.1 Surround.

  • Thanks, good to know.

  • The DVD-As and the Blu-Ray Audio discs have both HD 5.1 and HD stereo tracks. Would be shocking and obviously a mistake if the HD stereo tracks are upscaled?

    Don't know why that TTT link is showing Tai-Pan, although I'm assuming I was searching for it at that time.

    TTT: https://www.hdtracks.com/#/album/5dea0b84c2ba0c5a5df9d9de

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     Posted:   Apr 11, 2021 - 6:24 PM   
     By:   BornOfAJackal   (Member)

    Are these editions with the Blu-ray disc still available?

     
     
     Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 12:07 AM   
     By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

    Yes:

    https://www.discogs.com/fr/sell/item/677271973

    https://www.amazon.fr/Lord-Rings-return-coffret-Blu-ray/dp/B07FW4CN99/ref=pd_sim_1?pd_rd_w=Jwxcy&pf_rd_p=457b4853-af04-4ca9-a146-cde8b5c94142&pf_rd_r=K7KHKK178EVN6D602AB8&pd_rd_r=1fdac76b-806b-421d-8013-8c4f77f7b282&pd_rd_wg=3HZwN&pd_rd_i=B07FW4CN99&psc=1

     
     Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 1:28 AM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

    Another fail in the history of LOTR CR.

    The official 24/48 Hi-rez version of Fellowship (available on sites like HDtracks and highresaudio) is 1/3 upscaled CD quality. Specifically disc 3 or on this release track 29 to 37.

    For 30 euros you would think they could check these things.


    What was your method to verify or question the integrity of the files?

     
     Posted:   Apr 12, 2021 - 3:23 AM   
     By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

    Oomph! Is the one on Qobuz the same?

    Qobuz has excellent customer service (in my experience) and they receive their files directly from the labels. Of course, labels sometimes provide faulty files.

    They also say that: "we check the upsampling, upscaling and transcoding on all products delivered. The products are checked manually. If you have any product that you think are not correct, please provide me with the link."

     
     
     Posted:   May 14, 2021 - 8:37 PM   
     By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

    So is HDtracks actually selling the legit 24bit 48kHz or that's still upsampling from CD quality?

     
     
     Posted:   May 14, 2021 - 8:37 PM   
     By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

    And I'm looking at these sets now and backing up the CDs with Exact Audio Copy in flac to preserve them.

    But for the DVD / Blu-Ray audio, are there any recommendations for backing those up?

    EAC doesn't work with DVD or Blu-Ray and I'm finding scant info about preserving high-res audio from those discs outside of the menu-based navigation they use on-disc.

     
     Posted:   May 15, 2021 - 3:52 AM   
     By:   Halloween_Jack   (Member)

    And I'm looking at these sets now and backing up the CDs with Exact Audio Copy in flac to preserve them.

    But for the DVD / Blu-Ray audio, are there any recommendations for backing those up?

    EAC doesn't work with DVD or Blu-Ray and I'm finding scant info about preserving high-res audio from those discs outside of the menu-based navigation they use on-disc.


    I used this which worked well:

    https://www.dvdae.com/

     
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