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 Posted:   Oct 18, 2021 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Disney has pushed back the release date, from July 29 2022 to June 20 2023

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-delays-doctor-strange-thor-black-panther-1235091673/

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2021 - 6:48 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

So the rumor is this one will involve time travel???

And erase Indiana Jones from existence. He will have never been born.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2021 - 6:49 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Disney has pushed back the release date, from July 29 2022 to June 20 2023

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-delays-doctor-strange-thor-black-panther-1235091673/


Speculation all the leaked rumors are true. Maybe doing major rewrites and reshoots because of this.
Sounds like the last SW movie all over again.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2021 - 7:12 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

Disney has pushed back the release date, from July 29 2022 to June 20 2023

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/disney-delays-doctor-strange-thor-black-panther-1235091673/


Speculation all the leaked rumors are true. Maybe doing major rewrites and reshoots because of this.
Sounds like the last SW movie all over again.


Nonsense. Disney does not want its crowded slate to generate less revenue. So with one Marvel tumbling down the release schedule everything must follow, and since it´s not like pre-pandemic times anymore they want to leave more time to each film, instead of every film dominating each other and cutting into its box office.

 
 Posted:   Oct 19, 2021 - 12:12 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

Speculation all the leaked rumors are true. Maybe doing major rewrites and reshoots because of this. Sounds like the last SW movie all over again.

Nonsense. Disney does not want its crowded slate to generate less revenue. So with one Marvel tumbling down the release schedule everything must follow


Exactly. All it takes to "leak" a rumor is an internet account, and some people actually make good money making these things up.

Remember when the release of No Time to Die was pushed because of Covid, and the internet declared that was a cover story for massive reshoots (which obviously made no sense weeks from release)?

Sure, some rumors are founded (stopped clocks and all), but the vast majority are speculations at best and whole cloth inventions at worst. In the case of Indiana Jones, this film has been in the planning and scripting stages for many years. So who would be ordering these major rewrites while the film is still in production? What of it could have been a surprise to anybody privy to the filming?

Of course, it might be terrible, but we'll have to see about that. Regardless, most every movie from all studios has been shifting release dates.

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2022 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Jason LeBlanc   (Member)

Though the film is releasing next year, Williams expects to be done composing the score this year:


This year, he will complete what he expects to be his final two films: “The Fabelmans,” loosely based on Spielberg’s childhood, and a fifth installment in the “Indiana Jones” series.


https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/08/arts/music/john-williams-hollywood-film.html

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2022 - 8:46 PM   
 By:   barryfan   (Member)

John Williams' "final two films". What a sad phrase to read. frown

 
 Posted:   Feb 8, 2022 - 10:50 PM   
 By:   Mike Matessino   (Member)

Regarding the scoring of Indiana Jones vs. the release date, it does not mean reshoots. Everyone involved in a production - and post-production - is contracted for a specified time that can't be extended. People need to get onto other jobs. You can't just call them back in a year. The movie will be scored and finished and the fact that the release date is the following summer doesn't mean it will be worked on in the interim.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 6:52 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

John Williams' "final two films". What a sad phrase to read. frown

While I appreciate he's working at age *90* - Christ, I hope I'm alive at that age and cognizant - we knew a certain level of retirement was coming, especially once he had the pacemaker put in.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Yes, its amazing he kept working into his 90's. It's even more amazing he has the physical and mental capacities to do so. A man who truly loved what he did. He could've hanged it up 20 or 30 years ago and live a comfortable life. He's a legend in his own time.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

John Williams' "final two films". What a sad phrase to read.

You missed ' expects to be' out . I'd say that loosens it up a bit.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 8:35 AM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

The sad thing is that, while his recent output doesn't come anywhere near the quality of his glory years, he's still irreplaceable.

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 9:21 AM   
 By:   BTTFFan   (Member)

John Williams' "final two films". What a sad phrase to read. frown

This hit me hard

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

The sad thing is that, while his recent output doesn't come anywhere near the quality of his glory years, he's still irreplaceable.

No respectable gentleman would ever say this

 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 1:08 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)

The sad thing is that, while his recent output doesn't come anywhere near the quality of his glory years, he's still irreplaceable.

I understand what you mean, but in some ways his recent output transcends and in some cases surpasses certain elements of his glory years.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 9, 2022 - 6:09 PM   
 By:   Reeve   (Member)

I would like to state this comment with the utmost confidence; and that is that:
It is not John Williams’ fault.
It is the modern demographics.

You can blame producers like Rick Berman – (Star Trek: The Next Generation) – who do not want incredible thematic ideas written into their scores.
I am certain that John Williams can write music just as well as he did in his glory years.
Unfortunately people; he is not allowed to do so!

Composers like Miklós Rózsa and Bernard Herrmann – always delivered – always – as society had not changed!
Unfortunately; directors like Steven Spielberg have changed – (or probably) – adapted to the new modern demographic society – (what will make them more money – more success). The film scores suffer because of this factor.

Unfortunately films like ‘B.F.G.’ – and even – ‘Ready Player One’ – (which was composed by Alan Silvestri) – are nowhere near as memorable as there work in the early 1990s.
Unfortunately; it is the way of the world…

From now on folks; we are only going to get film scores that are basically wallpaper compositions. No more memorable themes; and no character-based leitmotifs either – there will be nothing available that we can hum anymore.

Let’s just hope and pray that this 5th ‘Indiana Jones Adventure’ – does give us at least one new solid theme; and hopefully; an interesting variation on the main theme. (I hope that John Williams does not go back to the library of music he had written previously; but rather gives us new variations on the classis themes we know and love)…

However; as I said above; I do strongly believe Williams and Silvestri; can give us – (the audience) – new themes and leitmotifs – just as they had done 30 years ago; and they will be as memorable as they were; however; it is the producers of these films – (unfortunately the directors themselves) – who don’t want that…

Even some people on this forum said things like:
'I wish we don’t get to hear Darth Vader’s Theme every time he is on the screen!'

WTF?
It is unfortunate that people – with that kind of opinion – ruin it for others.
For most of John Williams fans out there; that is actually what makes the score a lot of fun; and there are at least 50 variations on his theme – (and that is the original trilogy alone). That is what makes the score fun to listen to.

And yet; the world has moved on harshly; as people don’t want to hear fun scores anymore… That is modern demographics for you; and it is the way of the world – most probably; for the past 20 years!

The teenagers have ruled since the 1950s; and they will continue to rule the fashion trends - (including film scores).

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 12:43 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

It’s all about cycles.

There are many current scores which again feature memorable leitmotifs.

Fashion changed in the 70‘s. It will change again.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 12:47 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

From now on folks; we are only going to get film scores that are basically wallpaper compositions. No more memorable themes; and no character-based leitmotifs either – there will be nothing available that we can hum anymore.

I wouldn't say that. It depends on where and how wide you look. If you look at scores throughout the world every year, there are still scores written like that. Last year's BUCKLEY'S CHANCE by Christopher Gordon is a good example. Or Naoki Sato's MASQUERADE NIGHT.

However, Williams' style has changed since 2005. A lot of his music since then has been more 'cellular' or motivic. Not that many longlined themes. At times quite "whimsical", in lack of a better word. INDY 4 was plagued by some of this, and I wouldn't be surprised if the same will apply to INDY 5. But I remain strong in my faith that this will be more memorable than its predecessor.

 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 1:08 AM   
 By:   No Respectable Gentleman   (Member)

Anybody who tells you a "hummable" score isn't commercial should check the top-grossing films of all time: GONE WITH THE WIND, STAR WARS, E.T., JAWS, TITANIC, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS.

Granted "bombastic" scores fell out of favour with sniffy tin-eared critics decades ago. I recall a critics' association nominating Mark Isham as "the Composer of the '80s". Nothing against Isham (whose work is rather good) but that was plainly preposterous.

Within the glut of superhero epics these days there's certanly room for grand themes. The fact that there aren't any (I would haumbly argue) is because composers these days are incapable of writing them. Here's hoping that Michael Giacchino shortly proves me wrong.

But will a film ever again be adorned with a score as magisterial as STAR WARS or SUPERMAN? I'm convinced that if a score like that appeared today, people would melt down.

Then again, there isn't much hummable music, period.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 10, 2022 - 1:10 AM   
 By:   maurizio.caschetto   (Member)

For most of John Williams fans out there; that is actually what makes the score a lot of fun; and there are at least 50 variations on his theme – (and that is the original trilogy alone). That is what makes the score fun to listen to.

And yet; the world has moved on harshly; as people don’t want to hear fun scores anymore… That is modern demographics for you; and it is the way of the world – most probably; for the past 20 years!

The teenagers have ruled since the 1950s; and they will continue to rule the fashion trends - (including film scores).


And yet John Williams remained relevant and fresh to the majority of the audience thanks to the fact that ke kept his pencil going with new projects, both for Hollywood and for other venues. Of course the world changes, that's how it has always been and will continue to be. The Maestro said it very eloquently in the recent New York Times piece: "I feel like I'm sort of sitting on the edge of something and change is happening."

We should be VERY grateful that he wants to spend what remains of his life writing new music for whatever or whoever pleases him (be it the shenanigans of contemporary Hollywood, his pal Steven or his beloved musician friends) instead of staying home gardening his camelias.

 
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