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Apr 16, 2021 - 9:04 AM
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Juanki
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My girlfriend just gave me away a LP player so I am restoring my family oldies LP releases and give them a new play! I am also checking second hand stores for old recordings and wanted to ask you what scores do you think are worthy to own on vinyl. I am pretty sure, I already own them on CD but I am curious about listening to them on vinyl, so please recommend me your favorites ones. Also, I realized there is a lot of reissue nowadays like "Batman", "Tie me up, tie me down", "Dick Tracy", some of the John Barry's James Bond scores. In that case, which version is better to get? Thanks, any help on this matter would be appreciate. Looking forward your replies.
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I have vinyl LPs from way back, but if I bought a vinyl today, it would exclusively be for decorative purposes. They are sonically inferior to CD sound and rather impractical. They can be fun though, and I like the big covers, so I am not parting with my old classic vinyl recordings. I guess if you want to give your turntable a spin, I would browse used record stores etc. and see what you can come up with, I don't think it's a good idea to spend big bucks on newly released vinyl for stuff you already have on CD just to listen to it. Unless you like the look and feel of it, of course. I have actually considered buying some of these special vinyl releases just because they look so nice. :-)
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You are much better off finding clean, affordable second-hand used copies of originals. Clean, cheap copies of "Goldfinger," "Thunderball," and "You Only Live Twice" are readily available at a thrift store near you. Yeah, I agree. That's the way to go about it.
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...They (LPs) are sonically inferior to CD sound... That is a broad and incorrect generalization. OK, true, there are some very fine sounding LPs, there are poorly sounding CDs that don't sound good, and there are well mastered LPs that do. And no question, the best sounding LPs definitely sound way better than the worst sounding CDs. I have heard good sounding LPs, yes. No question. In fact, I got some myself. So the generalization is broad and incorrect when you take it to mean every CD sounds better than every LP. That is not what I wanted to say. Agreed. But what I meant, and I stand by that, is that the format is INHERENTLY inferior to CD (or by now digital file) sound. The best mastered CDs will always sound better than the best mastered LPs. I have hundreds of LPs and had several turntables over the years, I started out listening to music in the days of LP, so it's not as if I don't have first hand experience, and the vinyl medium comes with inherent sonic problems that are simply not there on CD. Vinyl has many disadvantages: 1. Limited dynamic range There is no way an LP can accurately reproduce a symphony like Mahler's 8, where you have huge chorus parts and deep organ parts paired with the softest chamber solos, as well as a CD. It will be compromised. That's a real biggie for me, as most of the music I listen to is classical music, and I know how it is supposed to sound from a concert hall. CD is much better reproducing the music accurately. 2. All vinyls add sounds that have no business being there: Vinyls come with surface noice: hiss, crackles, pops, whatever. Even the newest finest pressings on the best turntables cannot hide the fact that vinyls ave some of that background noise, noise, that just does not belong there. And it is always intrusive in the quieter moments of the music. The slightest piece of randomly flying dust will make a sound suddenly where it does not belong. I hated it then, and I hate it now. 3. Technically, every vinyl gets worse with each playing Each time you play a vinyl, it gets worn down. I find that very idea disturbing. 4. Not all tracks sound equally good Technically, the best sounding tracks are the ones on the outside of the LP, and the fidelity becomes less the more the needle moves along the groove towards the inside. These problems are inherent in the medium, all vinyl LPs and record playing systems, even the best, have them. Add to that other issues that are not directly related to playback quality (like the fact that you have to go up and flip the side every 20 minutes or so, so that you cannot listen uninterruptedly for pieces of music longer than that (like, say, a Richard Strauss tone poem), and the medium just pales when compared to CDs, not to mention simply files. And while the medium of LP has these considerable sonic disadvantages, it offers NO sonic advantages AT ALL over a CD, none. Zero. The biggest advantage LPs have over CDs is really that you get to look at larger covers. So while I agree with you that not all CDs DO sound better than all LPs (because of mastering issues etc.), they theoretically COULD. There is not a single sonic advantage the medium of LP has over the medium of CDs (or nowadays digital files).
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1. Limited dynamic range There is no way an LP can accurately reproduce a symphony like Mahler's 8, where you have huge chorus parts and deep organ parts paired with the softest chamber solos, as well as a CD. It will be compromised. That's a real biggie for me, as most of the music I listen to is classical music, and I know how it is supposed to sound from a concert hall. CD is much better reproducing the music accurately. I consider the limited dynamic ranges of LPs to be a plus. OK, that's fine. And some people like the fact that LPs have both less bass and less height sound than CDs, and emphasize the middle. That's all fine and I got no problem with people preferring any of this. Obviously, there are people who love the sound of vinyl. They like what vinyl takes away from the sound and how it changes the sound and makes an imprint on the sound. That's great. However, I prefer the most accurate reproduction of music possible, regardless of whether I hear a piano sonata by Beethoven, an opera by Wagner, a song by Tori Amos, or a jazz piece by Miles Davis. I want to hear the music the most "accurate" way it can be reproduced in my living room (which is of course inherently limited as well already) and I do NOT want that the medium interferes with its own limitations when they are not necessary. You want less dynamic range? No problem to compress digital files to whatever dynamic range one prefers, you cannot do that on an LP. Personally, I want to hear as little as possible of the sound system itself and as purely as possible only the music. CD (or nowadays high-res-files) give me just that: extreme high fidelity and practically none of the sonic limitations of the vinyl medium. It's no problem to make a digital file sound like a vinyl: just compress the dynamic range a bit, less bass, less heights, add some slight surface noice and voila, you're set. But I personally don't want that, I want the music, pure. I don't want the baggage of LPs anymore. I do still have a lot of LPs though, and once in a while I still buy a new turntable (last one I had was a Technics 1200 Ltd), because I made my peace with the medium now, years later since I no longer HAVE to use it. Now I can use and listen to LPs for fun, because 95% of the music I have on LP I have now also on better sounding (and remastered) CDs or files. I still like turntables and LPs as fascinating equipment, and when I play an LP now, it's about the "whole" thing, it's a "ceremony". But as far as the pure music is concerned, give me just the files. They just sound much better.
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No CD= no sale!
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No CD= no sale! Ah, yes... I was waiting for that.
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