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 Posted:   Apr 20, 2021 - 9:37 PM   
 By:   alamobob2007   (Member)

Seems to me I've posted something like this before - but I keep a list of scores I'd love to see released. One name which keeps popping up is Frank Skinner. It baffles me that there has not been a box set covering his career at Universal. We see these new scores from the UNI vaults being released gradually - but where is their master musical chef for at least four decades?? Most recently I picked up 2 blu-rays with stunning work by Skinner: 'The Ugly American' and 'Captain Newman, M.D.' The scores are varied, consistent, always interesting and each of those two alone could easily comprise a handsome CD. And those aren't even his classics. Let's talk 'Harvey', 'Destry Rides Again', 'My Little Chickadee', 'When the Daltons Rode', 'Seven Sinners', 'Saboteur', 'The Suspect', 'The Naked City', 'The World in His Arms', 'Magnificent Obsession', 'My Man Godfrey', 'Midnight Lace', etc., etc., 270 films! I know a box set would be a labor of love ONLY for some enterprising label/producer - but what a feast of treasures it could contain. I can dream, can't I? Does anyone have the real scoop as to why Skinner's scores are so under represented? Or why a project like this - given that Universal seem to be opening their vault doors - goes undone?

 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2021 - 10:03 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

Over the years there have been many requests here for some releases by this marvelous composer. But not only do we get no releases from the specialist labels, we get little or no comment or expressions of any desire to do so. The only one I recall was Magnificent Obsession from Varese which, while welcome, was an LP transfer of mostly arrangements of other composers' classical works.
Disques Cinemusique, a label I now tend to avoid like the plague, issued some dubious CDs of LP transfers of a handful of Skinner scores at one point, like Imitation of Life and Man of a Thousand Faces, but from old LPs and swathed in their usual poorly-applied reverb.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 20, 2021 - 11:12 PM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

He seems to be..along with ..ROY WEBB,KEN THORNE,STANLEY MYERS,etc.the most underrepresented composer.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 2:32 AM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Does anyone have the real scoop as to why Skinner's scores are so under represented? Or why a project like this - given that Universal seem to be opening their vault doors - goes undone?

Most of Skinner's output no longer exists. There are acetates on BACK STREET (41), THE HOUSE OF SEVEN GABLES, ARABIAN NIGHTS and, supposedly, SABOTEUR. His final works may survive and whether or not the master tapes for the Decca albums is a big fat question mark, especially after the big fire.

In the meantime, we can dream, can't we....

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

His final works may survive and whether or not the master tapes for the Decca albums is a big fat question mark, especially after the big fire.

I'm sure I can remember Doug Fake posting a few years back that there were no album tapes at UMG, so maybe they did burn. The original score for Shenandoah (1965) is much requested, I wonder if the tapes still exist?

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 8:59 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Does anyone have the real scoop as to why Skinner's scores are so under represented? Or why a project like this - given that Universal seem to be opening their vault doors - goes undone?

Most of Skinner's output no longer exists. There are acetates on BACK STREET (41), THE HOUSE OF SEVEN GABLES, ARABIAN NIGHTS and, supposedly, SABOTEUR. His final works may survive and whether or not the master tapes for the Decca albums is a big fat question mark, especially after the big fire.

In the meantime, we can dream, can't we....




Was this a real lp. I cannot find any information on it. Thx

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   Captain_Kaos (no Giacchino fan)   (Member)

I've read that Skinner was among the "victims" of the terrible Universal-fire in 2008. So afaik no Decca-masters survived. So there won't be any new Skinner releases.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 9:18 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I've read that Skinner was among the "victims" of the terrible Universal-fire in 2008. So afaik no Decca-masters survived. So there won't be any new Skinner releases.

Even though the Decca masters (owned by UMG) may have been destroyed in the Universal fire, there is still the possibility that the original elements for at least some 60s scores by Skinner may have survived at Universal. For example such titles as MIDNIGHT LACE, PORTRAIT IN BLACK, SHENANDOAH, CAPTAIN NEWMAN M.D., THE APPALOOSA etc.
However, the big question nowadays is whether Universal (together with one of our specialty labels) will be interested to release any of these in their Universal Classics CD series or if it is just not rewarding for them at all as probably not more than 500 copies could be sold of most of these titles.

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 2:09 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

Does anyone have the real scoop as to why Skinner's scores are so under represented? Or why a project like this - given that Universal seem to be opening their vault doors - goes undone?

Most of Skinner's output no longer exists. There are acetates on BACK STREET (41), THE HOUSE OF SEVEN GABLES, ARABIAN NIGHTS and, supposedly, SABOTEUR. His final works may survive and whether or not the master tapes for the Decca albums is a big fat question mark, especially after the big fire.

In the meantime, we can dream, can't we....




Was this a real lp. I cannot find any information on it. Thx


No Joe, it was a dream! smile

 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 2:19 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)


Even though the Decca masters (owned by UMG) may have been destroyed in the Universal fire, there is still the possibility that the original elements for at least some 60s scores by Skinner may have survived at Universal. For example such titles as MIDNIGHT LACE, PORTRAIT IN BLACK, SHENANDOAH, CAPTAIN NEWMAN M.D., THE APPALOOSA etc.
However, the big question nowadays is whether Universal (together with one of our specialty labels) will be interested to release any of these in their Universal Classics CD series or if it is just not rewarding for them at all as probably not more than 500 copies could be sold of most of these titles.



Then we would need a boxed set, like some of the western sets of multiple scores we've had in the past. Those kinds of collections seem to sell well and are always seen as very good value by buyers.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 21, 2021 - 3:18 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Box sets of classic scores of a particular studio,genre, director,composer or actor seems to me to be the way to go. Intrada has done it as well as Lalaland and Kritzerland. Throw in one or two premieres in there and your chance of selling a box set greatly increases.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2021 - 7:11 AM   
 By:   joec   (Member)

Does anyone have the real scoop as to why Skinner's scores are so under represented? Or why a project like this - given that Universal seem to be opening their vault doors - goes undone?

Most of Skinner's output no longer exists. There are acetates on BACK STREET (41), THE HOUSE OF SEVEN GABLES, ARABIAN NIGHTS and, supposedly, SABOTEUR. His final works may survive and whether or not the master tapes for the Decca albums is a big fat question mark, especially after the big fire.

In the meantime, we can dream, can't we....




Was this a real lp. I cannot find any information on it. Thx


No Joe, it was a dream! smile


I thought so, a nice dream though!

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2021 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Box sets of classic scores of a particular studio,genre, director,composer or actor seems to me to be the way to go. Intrada has done it as well as Lalaland and Kritzerland. Throw in one or two premieres in there and your chance of selling a box set greatly increases.

The most obvious way to go would be a Douglas Sirk/Frank Skinner box set (even if this only shows one facet of Skinner's oeuvre). Unfortunately, this would perhaps also be the most obvious box set to bomb frown

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2021 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)


The most obvious way to go would be a Douglas Sirk/Frank Skinner box set (even if this only shows one facet of Skinner's oeuvre). Unfortunately, this would perhaps also be the most obvious box set to bomb frown


And probably also a box set which might be very difficult to realize. After so many years we still don´t know whether any original elements for example for ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS or THE TARNISHED ANGELS - to just cite two of the most important scores of the Sirk/Skinner collaboration - still exist at Universal or not. That elements exist would be the basic prerequisite for such a box set.
In the meantime we know at least that all the 40s stuff at Universal is long gone, but nobody who has some insight into the Universal archives has mentioned anything about their 50s scores. It still seems to be such a big secret - but if you have a look at what has been released in that so-called Universal Classics CD series till now, there has been not even one score from the 50s among them which is not a good sign.
And if it is true that the Decca masters of the Skinner albums have been destroyed in the 2007 fire, then you can also forget about the LP album masters for WRITTEN ON THE WIND, INTERLUDE and IMITATION OF LIFE.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2021 - 9:45 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

Box sets of classic scores of a particular studio,genre, director,composer or actor seems to me to be the way to go. Intrada has done it as well as Lalaland and Kritzerland. Throw in one or two premieres in there and your chance of selling a box set greatly increases.

The most obvious way to go would be a Douglas Sirk/Frank Skinner box set (even if this only shows one facet of Skinner's oeuvre). Unfortunately, this would perhaps also be the most obvious box set to bomb frown


It's obvious that most of what is being clamored for on this request board and released by the specialty labels far outweighs what we ask for. It's not classic scores,but it is scores from action, horror and bloodletting minor films. There is one good thing about change in buying habits and that is , money spent on CD's can now be used elsewhere.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2021 - 10:06 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)


The most obvious way to go would be a Douglas Sirk/Frank Skinner box set (even if this only shows one facet of Skinner's oeuvre). Unfortunately, this would perhaps also be the most obvious box set to bomb frown


And probably also a box set which might be very difficult to realize. After so many years we still don´t know whether any original elements for example for ALL THAT HEAVEN ALLOWS or THE TARNISHED ANGELS - to just cite two of the most important scores of the Sirk/Skinner collaboration - still exist at Universal or not. That elements exist would be the basic prerequisite for such a box set.
In the meantime we know at least that all the 40s stuff at Universal is long gone, but nobody who has some insight into the Universal archives has mentioned anything about their 50s scores. It still seems to be such a big secret - but if you have a look at what has been released in that so-called Universal Classics CD series till now, there has been not even one score from the 50s among them which is not a good sign.
And if it is true that the Decca masters of the Skinner albums have been destroyed in the 2007 fire, then you can also forget about the LP album masters for WRITTEN ON THE WIND, INTERLUDE and IMITATION OF LIFE.


That's true. We really don't know if the non-existence of 1950s Universal releases really means that there is no such material or if it means that nobody bothers to touch due to the legal hurdles (and the limited market for it). I think they had a similar practice like Warner with their multi-channel elements, but whether they kept mono dubs I have no idea.

The loss of all these master tapes is really a tragedy. I think that the number of vinyl rips (even on mainstream releases) has generally increased during the last years. I'm not sure if this really relates only to material where missing or damaged tapes prevented re-issues and the labels are now working on that "orphan" titles or if tape degradation and lost tapes due to multiple stock moves are the reason for that. I also wouldn't be surprised if it's just going the cheaper way. The 1950s Skinner titles may not be of interest to UMG since there are already PD downloads, but I wouldn't be surprised if downloads of the post-1962 items would appear at one point or another.

 
 Posted:   Apr 22, 2021 - 10:15 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

Box sets of classic scores of a particular studio,genre, director,composer or actor seems to me to be the way to go. Intrada has done it as well as Lalaland and Kritzerland. Throw in one or two premieres in there and your chance of selling a box set greatly increases.

The most obvious way to go would be a Douglas Sirk/Frank Skinner box set (even if this only shows one facet of Skinner's oeuvre). Unfortunately, this would perhaps also be the most obvious box set to bomb frown


It's obvious that most of what is being clamored for on this request board and released by the specialty labels far outweighs what we ask for. It's not classic scores,but it is scores from action, horror and bloodletting minor films. There is one good thing about change in buying habits and that is , money spent on CD's can now be used elsewhere.


There's always the little hope that this will change sometime, but we can't be sure about it. Right now it seems as if the interest for art as we know it is generally dwindling close to zero. There's always been the situation, though, in which the art of yesterday ran out of fashion in order to make place for that from the year before. If this can also be true for pre-1970 movie scores remains to be seen.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2021 - 2:11 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

The 1950s Skinner titles may not be of interest to UMG since there are already PD downloads, but I wouldn't be surprised if downloads of the post-1962 items would appear at one point or another.

It is no secret that many post-1962 titles have already appeared as PD downloads during the last years just everywhere. Here in Europe the borderline is not 1962, but end of 1963 so that of course many albums from 1963 have been released as digital downloads during the last 6-7 years on all possible platforms and without any problem.
And in Canada that borderline is even much later, namely early 1965. Therefore Disques Cinémusique even tried to release Skinner´s SHENANDOAH from 1965 as PD download a few years ago, although I don´t know if it still available on any digital platform at the moment or if it had to be withdrawn.
Anyway, as to the Skinner scores which had been on former LPs during the 50s and 60s this leaves just MADAME X as the only one - as it is from 1966 - which has not received such a digital PD download till now.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2021 - 4:47 AM   
 By:   Hercule Platini   (Member)

The trouble with trying to sample Frank Skinner's music on YouTube is that there's a British comedian with the same name, and there's more of the latter than the former. It's like trying to sort out the music of the proper Brian May from that long-haired bloke out of Queen.

 
 
 Posted:   Apr 23, 2021 - 11:55 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

I like what he did with room 101. smile

 
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