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 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 9:36 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Any consensus on which are the greatest spaghetti westerns NOT directed by anyone named Sergio Leone?

I'm guessing that "The Big Gundown" (1966) would make many viewers' lists.

I've seen lots of spaghetti westerns over the years. I'm usually drinking red wine and don't always remember details.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 10:08 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Some of those by Corbucci and Sollima. Death Rides a Horse. Maybe a Sabata. Something by Castellari. Face to Face by Sollima is a favourite of mine. A good story, the way the leads have changed by the end

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 1:13 PM   
 By:   Tall Guy   (Member)

Some of those by Corbucci and Sollima. Death Rides a Horse. Maybe a Sabata. Something by Castellari. Face to Face by Sollima is a favourite of mine. A good story, the way the leads have changed by the end


I think all the Italian westerns I’ve seen apart from Five Man Army were directed by the three Sergios. The Big Gundown, Il Grande Silenzio, A Professional Gun and 5MA are all great fun.

And Sabata, that was someone else and quite a blast.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)



And Sabata, that was someone else and quite a blast.


I think it was Frank Kramer aka Gianfranco Parolini.( Usually full of acrobatics)
Some Anthony Steffen westerns are a blast. Not necessarily great, the acting is usually average but there's something fun about them . There's one where he shoots someone with a loaded chicken. Well his hand,holding a gun is inside the chicken.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 1:55 PM   
 By:   Mark   (Member)


Damian is spot on in mentioning the two other Sergio's, Corbucci and Solima..... Both are very good directors. And like Damian, Face to Face is a favourite of mine. Also favourites of mine and up in the top tier of spaghetti westerns are Day of Anger, Death Rides a Horse, The Great Silence, Sonny and Jed, The Mercenary and the Big Gundown. The Cruel Ones is another personal favourite.

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 2:07 PM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

Some more -
Requiescant
Companeros
Arizona Colt( a fav.)
A Reason to Live a Reason to Die

 
 
 Posted:   May 9, 2021 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Myself has spent neither time nor money renting or buying Euro-Westerns on home video, so I have very little to contribute here.
I do own a not insignificant amount of Italian soundtracks, though. The one spaghetti Western that I felt I must see is Sentenza di morte based solely upon Gianni Ferrio's music - which impresses me no end.

After getting the Digitmovies CD on this, I watched, months later, this flick in YouTube.
The net effect is surreal though likely unintentional. The print I watched seems to have lapses in continuity but I'm unsure whether this is due to compromised scriptwriting or post-production tinkering. The direction by Mario Lanfranchi may well be par-for-the-course but Tomas Milian's gold-obsessed albino - with Ferrio's coven-like chanting with I Cantori Moderni - push the whole shebang onto other levels with epileptic convulsions.

The typical nihilism of this genre gets topped with helpings of existentialism.
Too disheveled to be a masterpiece, Sentenza di morte is nonetheless unique as it is unlike its peers.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2021 - 7:04 AM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

Thanks all for the suggestions!

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2021 - 7:31 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I think all the Italian westerns I’ve seen apart from Five Man Army were directed by the three Sergios. The Big Gundown, Il Grande Silenzio, A Professional Gun and 5MA are all great fun.

Another vote for IL GRANDE SILENZIO. A bit hokey at times, but love the desolate, wintery atmosphere. I introduced this film at the Cinemateque a couple of years ago. I believe it was a 70mm screening. Fascinating Morricone score.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2021 - 8:25 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)



Another vote for IL GRANDE SILENZIO. A bit hokey at times, but love the desolate, wintery atmosphere. I introduced this film at the Cinemateque a couple of years ago. I believe it was a 70mm screening. Fascinating Morricone score.


A lot are,as you say, a bit hokey,but they have ' something ' about them. I could sum it up in a few words - they aren't American . For example you would be unlikely to get John Wayne slapping the crap out of a woman or shooting a kid . I'm not saying it's right ( before any cranks jump in) but surely it would happen . They wouldn't want to die so let someone die in front of you.

 
 
 Posted:   May 10, 2021 - 8:36 AM   
 By:   Rameau   (Member)

I've gone right off spaghetti westerns in the last few years (even Leone), but I remember Bullet for the General being very good, & it has a great score by Luis Bacalov (happily I still love the music).

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

So.. loved them all my life, but actually only got to know them (the non Leones, and even his peripheral ones) relatively late in life. The Spaghetti Western database gave me a list to go to so I'm doing my best getting them and watching them. Many of the ones below were caught up with on dvd and Blu ray after years thinking I'd never see them. After many years of course, of enjoying Ennio's scores.

Great Silence - Loved it
Bullet for the General - loved it
The Big Gundown - Loved it
The Mercenary - Loved it
Companeros - Loved it
Death Rides A Horse - Loved it
Face to Face - Loved it
Day of Anger - still not seen it properly.
A Pistol for Ringo - Enjoyed it
The Return of Ringo - Loved it
Tepepa - Quite enjoyed it
Navajo Joe - Loved it
Cemetary Without Crosses - not seen it yet but it's on the shelf along with The Grand Duel and Texas addios.

Really like the style. Love the music. Absolutely love sitting in the middle of the Mini Hollywood tourist attraction in Almeria soaking up the sun while Ennio's music drifts by. The gunfights and (very nice) can can shows are an extra.

Is Carson not contributing to this thread 'cause he's seen all and done everything? Maybe he didn't get to have dinner with Ennio or somethin'.....

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

I think, technically, Cemetery without Crosses is a l'escargot western( i.e. French) big grin

 
 
 Posted:   May 16, 2021 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   OnyaBirri   (Member)

So last weekend, we watched "Death Rides a Horse," which is excellent, right up there with "The Big Gundown."

Last night, we re-watched "Companeros" after having seen it a few years back. Very funny film, and we are listening to the soundtrack now! I am of course drinking wine while listening to Morricone!

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 10:01 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

I think, technically, Cemetery without Crosses is a l'escargot western( i.e. French) big grin

Didn't Leone direct the dinner scene in Cemetery? Counts for me!

Anyway, going by that what do we call Sheriff of Fractured Jaw, Shalako and Carry On Cowboy?

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 10:07 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)



Anyway, going by that what do we call Sheriff of Fractured Jaw, Shalako and Carry On Cowboy?


How about 'shit'.
Only kidding

 
 
 Posted:   May 17, 2021 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)



Anyway, going by that what do we call Sheriff of Fractured Jaw, Shalako and Carry On Cowboy?


How about 'shit'.
Only kidding


I should think so.

Actually it's a VERY long time since I saw the first two..... Was just wondering about the label for a British western. This of course includes The Prisoner's Living in Harmony and Doctor Who's A Town Called Mercy ( filmed in Almeria), not to mention of course ancient Doctor Who's The Gunfighters.

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2021 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   Damian   (Member)

A full English?

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2021 - 10:50 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

A full English?

It's a fact that we have paella westerns, sauerkraut westerns, macaroni westerns and of course spaghetti westerns.

And it crossed my mind a few times over the years about the above examples. Fish and chip western? Roast beef and Yorkshire pudding western? All too silly.

But I love a full English western. Sounds so much better than ANY other than a true US western. Of course the only FULL English here is the Carry On (and two of the tvs mentioned earlier). Totally filmed in England. I mean, if we're going to say FULL English and all....

Got a good ring to it. Love it. A full English western. Brill. .... But does that mean it has to be filmed in..... LANCASHIRE?? Nooooooooooooo!

 
 
 Posted:   May 19, 2021 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   James MacMillan   (Member)

No expert on Italian Westerns, but I remember seeing THE 5-MAN ARMY in the cinema (a l-o-n-g time ago) and found it thoroughly entertaining. Peter Graves was in it, and I think it had an American director - Don Taylor? Am surprised this one isn't better known as a viewing experience.
Morricone's music must certainly be well-known...

 
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