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 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 6:38 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

In the past for contributions the Film Music Society has released on CD some of the works of Leonard Rosenman and Dimitri Tiomkin . Why have they stopped that practice ? They could do others like David Raksin and perhaps Victor Young.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I know that the Film Music Society had released a few CDs during the first years of the 2000s and I have all of them. They were not only available for members, but you could also buy them for example at SAE.
The last one was the very interesting Leonard Rosenman compilation and it was released in 2012. So that´s now almost 10 years ago - and nothing since that time. Why? Certainly because the market for most of these older scores has dwindled down to probably just a few hundred collectors during the last 10 or 12 years. Therefore I think that it is just not rewarding for them anymore to produce such CDs as the times have changed for the worse.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 8:15 AM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I know that the Film Music Society had released a few CDs during the first years of the 2000s and I have all of them. They were not only available for members, but you could also buy them for example at SAE.
The last one was the very interesting Leonard Rosenman compilation and it was released in 2012. So that´s now almost 10 years ago - and nothing since that time. Why? Certainly because the market for most of these older scores has dwindled down to probably just a few hundred collectors during the last 10 or 12 years. Therefore I think that it is just not rewarding for them anymore to produce such CDs as the times have changed for the worse.


A few hundred collectors donating $100 each for a Separate Tables CD would work for me and I am sure others.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 8:29 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

A few hundred collectors donating $100 each for a Separate Tables CD would work for me and I am sure others.

Personally I think that spending $100 for just one CD is a bit too much and exaggerated. But if there are maybe one or two dozen collectors around - I doubt that there are more - who are willing to donate such a large sum for example for a CD of SEPARATE TABLES or THE UNINVITED, then all of them should immediately write to the Film Music Society in a joint effort and make such a proposal to them. Otherwise nothing will happen there. It would be interesting to know which reply these donators will get from the Society or if they will get any reply at all.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   akhnaton   (Member)

Still waiting for: UNCONQUERED

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   JohnnyRoastbeef   (Member)

Would love more Victor Young, Samson and Delilah restored or rerecorded, whatever is possible. I'm also a big fan of the 2 Kritzerland VY @ Paramount volumes, and would love more of those!

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:29 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

If those two volumes had sold better, there would have been more of those. Bruce Kimmel said there was plenty Victor Young left in the Paramount vaults to release, and that he would like to do so but the sales just couldn't justify it. And Kritzerland is about as streamlined an operation as a film music label can be.

Maybe a Kickstarter is the way to go, but someone with the right connections would need to care enough to run one.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 10:31 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

If those two volumes had sold better, there would have been more of those. Bruce Kimmel said there was plenty Victor Young left in the Paramount vaults to release, and that he would like to do so but the sales just couldn't justify it.

Kriitzerland´s times at Paramount were over soon after the second Victor Young CD had been released end of 2015. I think PARIS WHEN IT SIZZLES a few months later was the last score that Kritzerland could license from Paramount. And since then we haven´t seen any Paramount titles on the label anymore at all.
So the sales figures were probably not the only reason that the Young series didn´t continue. At that time in 2015 Bruce wrote that at Paramount there would be Young material for still one or even two additional CDs - although for example the original tracks for SAMSON AND DELILAH could not be found in the vaults.
By the way, according to him the sales of the first disc were quite good, only the second one was not as satisfactory for him as the first one - but this had probably also something to do with the more obscure film titles on Vol. 2.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 10:40 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I for one hoped that the surprisingly fast sales of LLL's Paramount Westerns set would lead to more such collections of surviving Golden and Silver Age stuff (organized by themes such as genre, composer, director, or whatever) from the Paramount vaults. But they must be much more complicated and time-consuming to assemble than releases with one or two scores... probably more akin to a TV series box set release. And then the pandemic hit and I fear labels going forward will be even more cautious than they were (understandably) before.

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 1:01 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Last evening I watched an episode of Medic which aired before my time. It was also the first time I've ever seen the show. All throughout I'm thinking man, this is quite a score for a dinky little 1954 show like this. And it soared at the end. Lo and behold guess who was the composer? It floored me.

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 25, 2023 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   RonBurbella   (Member)

There are two scores mentioned above that I thought I would add some data about:

SAMSON AND DELILAH (Victor Young) (LaserDisc LV 6726-2)
There are separate music only cues: 1. Overture (3:56) and Exit Music (2:16). Probably on DVD and Blu-Ray, too.
But the LaserDisc also has the ISOLATED MUSIC & EFFECTS TRACK, not (as far as I know) on later releases.
Years ago, with a daydream project of merging the Varese CD tracks with the non-released M&E tracks, I did transfer the whole M&E track onto two CDRs. But dealing with galloping horses, clanking chains, lions roaring, and sliding concrete pillars got me very frustrated. There is a decent amount of unreleased music there, I do have to admit. But the Paramount sound department guys really turned up the effects volume.

And now for some better news.

SEPARATE TABLES (David Raksin) LaserDisc did have a M&E Track. BUT:
SEPARATE TABLES (M+E) (BEWARE: 1st Release (MGM/UA ML 101759) had a pressing error.
M&E Isolated on Analog 2/R on SIDE ONE ONLY of LD)
(Note: 1st and 2nd Pressings have DIFFERENT Catalog Numbers)
SEPARATE TABLES (M+E) (2nd Pressing (MGM/UA ML 107202) Corrected the pressing error of the first release.
(M&E Isolated on Analog 2/R on BOTH Sides of LD)
Since the "Effects" are mostly footsteps, floor squeaks, closing door latches, and low volume such noises, you can get a pretty decent version of the score.
AND
If you are in the mood to do a Vinyl-to-CDR transfer, the Library of Congress book WONDERFUL INVENTIONS has
one side of an LP (four cues) from the score. Another one of my "someday" projects.
https://www.discogs.com/release/12733624-David-Raksin-Wonderful-Inventions

Ron Burbella

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2023 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   akhnaton   (Member)

What about "UNCONQUERED" or the early Crosby & Hope ROAD films?

 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2023 - 10:39 AM   
 By:   robertmro   (Member)

Last evening I watched an episode of Medic which aired before my time. It was also the first time I've ever seen the show. All throughout I'm thinking man, this is quite a score for a dinky little 1954 show like this. And it soared at the end. Lo and behold guess who was the composer? It floored me.



WOW! For two reasons:

Victor Young became he always gave it 100% no matter what the project was and Bobby Driscoll! (Disney’s Peter Pan who died of a drug overdose in an abandoned tenement.)

 
 
 Posted:   Mar 28, 2023 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Yes. I came to it as the result of seeing The Window on TCM which I've seen before and recalling the sad Driscoll story. Never had seen him beyond his stellar younger child performances until this. The Young factor was a real bonus.

 
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