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 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 5:39 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Anyone affected by the shutdown due to the cyber attack?
I'm in the upstate region of South Carolina and over the weekend and especially yesterday (Monday, May 10) lots of local gas stations ran out of gasoline. Long lines at some places, road rage instances, or rather gas pump rage instances reported.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I hear the supply chain affects the entire eastern side of the US. Thankfully the government has reserves it can dip into and hopefully this will get resolved asap. If not gas prices will skyrocket.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 8:51 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

JACKFU:

I'm in Houston where Colonial Pipeline pumps 45% of the gas to the East coast. It was reported in the news this morning that Colonial in Houston is manually pumping some gas through the pipeline to help alleviate the problem.

Where are you in the Upstate? I used to work in Greenville.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 10:38 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

JACKFU:

I'm in Houston where Colonial Pipeline pumps 45% of the gas to the East coast. It was reported in the news this morning that Colonial in Houston is manually pumping some gas through the pipeline to help alleviate the problem.

Where are you in the Upstate? I used to work in Greenville.


Hi Dragon53! I live in Campobello, which is ~30 minutes East of Greenville, in the far northwestern corner of Spartanburg county. Actually the Northeastern corner of Greenville county is only 2 miles from my house. I've lived there since '82. Who knows, we might have crossed paths! wink

Speaking of the shutdown, I went to the Spartanburg Sam's Club at lunch and their gas facility sold out soon after opening. People in the Spartanburg area are panic buying, it seems.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 10:51 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

I hear the supply chain affects the entire eastern side of the US. Thankfully the government has reserves it can dip into and hopefully this will get resolved asap. If not gas prices will skyrocket.


There is no shortage of gas, just a shortage of transport. The reserves are of no use unless they can get to where the gas is needed. With a diminished pipeline system and a shortage of tanker truck drivers, the products can't move. Refineries are shutting down because there is no way to ship the fuel.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:19 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

I hear the supply chain affects the entire eastern side of the US. Thankfully the government has reserves it can dip into and hopefully this will get resolved asap. If not gas prices will skyrocket.


There is no shortage of gas, just a shortage of transport. The reserves are of no use unless they can get to where the gas is needed. With a diminished pipeline system and a shortage of tanker truck drivers, the products can't move. Refineries are shutting down because there is no way to ship the fuel.


Yes and it's really scary. Our cyber vulnerability has certainly been shown again!

The gas lines I saw yesterday and today made me think of those baleful times in 1973/4 during the oil embargo. It's not that bad - yet, and Colonial has stated their faith that they'll be fully operational by this Friday, but I have my doubts, and I can't help but think that we might as well be ready for higher prices for quite a while to come (even above the $1.00/gallon increase since last year).

Anyone else here remember those "shortages" of the 1970s? Sugar, coffee supplies were hit by "shortages" which succeeded in jacking up the prices many times higher than they had been. Of course the prices came down after the crises were over, but never to the same levels they'd been before.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

This ransomware attack is different than most others. Usually, ransomware attacks either steal sensitive data (e.g., credit card or Social Security numbers) and threaten to reveal it unless a ransom is paid, or lock data files and threaten to keep them locked unless a ransom is paid. But no data seems to be stolen or locked here. It seems to be a shutdown of the software that controls the pipeline system. What does this software do--open and close valves, run the pumps, or what?

The solution would seem to be to wipe the drives that have the controlling software and reload the system, like reformatting your hard drive and reloading Windows 10. The problem, I guess, is that if you don't know how your system was corrupted in the first place, starting over with the same software would just lead to another rapid breach.

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

This ransomware attack is different than most others. Usually, ransomware attacks either steal sensitive data (e.g., credit card or Social Security numbers) and threaten to reveal it unless a ransom is paid, or lock data files and threaten to keep them locked unless a ransom is paid. But no data seems to be stolen or locked here. It seems to be a shutdown of the software that controls the pipeline system. What does this software do--open and close valves, run the pumps, or what?

The solution would seem to be to wipe the drives that have the controlling software and reload the system, like reformatting your hard drive and reloading Windows 10. The problem, I guess, is that if you don't know how your system was corrupted in the first place, starting over with the same software would just lead to another rapid breach.


You are correct, that ransomware is different than the typical cyber attack, thanks!
I know less about it than many folks, but in my work, I've been in chemical facilities similar to oil/gas operations, etc., in places like Baton Rouge and all, huge facilities and it's amazing what those software programs do. They indeed operate valves, pumps, storage tanks, monitor nearly every aspect of operations, etc., the list goes on and on. I'm talking near total dependence on these programs. They keep to a minimum the number of people required to physically open/shut valves, monitor pumps, flow meters, etc. and are very efficient.
I wonder if they'll ever discover how the ransomware infiltrated their system(s).

 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 8:00 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I hear the supply chain affects the entire eastern side of the US. Thankfully the government has reserves it can dip into and hopefully this will get resolved asap. If not gas prices will skyrocket.


There is no shortage of gas, just a shortage of transport. The reserves are of no use unless they can get to where the gas is needed. With a diminished pipeline system and a shortage of tanker truck drivers, the products can't move. Refineries are shutting down because there is no way to ship the fuel.


This makes no sense. The hacking didn't stop trucks from driving. It shut down the pipeline. The problem is supply from the pipeline not trucks to deliver the oil. You even say that in your next post.

 
 
 Posted:   May 11, 2021 - 11:17 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

There is no shortage of gas, just a shortage of transport. The reserves are of no use unless they can get to where the gas is needed. With a diminished pipeline system and a shortage of tanker truck drivers, the products can't move. Refineries are shutting down because there is no way to ship the fuel.
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This makes no sense. The hacking didn't stop trucks from driving. It shut down the pipeline. The problem is supply from the pipeline not trucks to deliver the oil. You even say that in your next post.



I'm saying that trucks cannot make up for the diminished pipeline capacity to get gasoline where it needs to be, in part because there is a shortage of qualified truck drivers. It was all the trucking industry could do to keep up with demand before the pipeline shutdown. There is no spare trucking capacity to carry what is now not being delivered by the pipeline.

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

There is no shortage of gas, just a shortage of transport. The reserves are of no use unless they can get to where the gas is needed. With a diminished pipeline system and a shortage of tanker truck drivers, the products can't move. Refineries are shutting down because there is no way to ship the fuel.
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This makes no sense. The hacking didn't stop trucks from driving. It shut down the pipeline. The problem is supply from the pipeline not trucks to deliver the oil. You even say that in your next post.



I'm saying that trucks cannot make up for the diminished pipeline capacity to get gasoline where it needs to be, in part because there is a shortage of qualified truck drivers. It was all the trucking industry could do to keep up with demand before the pipeline shutdown. There is no spare trucking capacity to carry what is now not being delivered by the pipeline.


Gotcha!

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 7:14 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

I wonder if the US government should have maybe invested in our security and energy infrastructure across the whole nation rather than giving MASSIVE TAX BREAKS to the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the world a couple years ago?

Hmm

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:17 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I wonder if the US government should have maybe invested in our security and energy infrastructure across the whole nation rather than giving MASSIVE TAX BREAKS to the wealthiest corporations and individuals in the world a couple years ago?

Hmm


Or billions in weapons to countries who have healthcare for all.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Jeff Bezos sends his thanks to Donald and the GOP for his fabulous new superyacht

https://www.forbes.com/sites/billspringer/2021/05/11/secrets-leak-about-jeff-bezos-new-417-foot-long-sailing-superyacht/?sh=199a4588331b

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:37 AM   
 By:   David Sones (Allardyce)   (Member)

Knock off the politics please. Not here.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   Ado   (Member)

Yachts not politics

https://specials-images.forbesimg.com/imageserve/609a9f41d5854ac21484088e/960x0.jpg?cropX1=170&cropX2=1841&cropY1=0&cropY2=1254

tax code fair?

 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 6:34 PM   
 By:   edwzoomom   (Member)

Anyone affected by the shutdown due to the cyber attack?
I'm in the upstate region of South Carolina and over the weekend and especially yesterday (Monday, May 10) lots of local gas stations ran out of gasoline. Long lines at some places, road rage instances, or rather gas pump rage instances reported.


jack, we’re heading to SC next Thursday and we decided to drive. When I read about SC and VA having these issues I began to worry a bit. I’m wondering if flying would be a better option. But we’re going to keep our original plans and hope we have no issues.

 
 
 Posted:   May 12, 2021 - 10:07 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Colonial Pipeline restarts after hack, but supply chain won’t return to normal for a few days.

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/05/12/colonial-pipeline-restarts-after-hack-but-supply-chain-wont-return-to-normal-for-a-few-days.html

 
 Posted:   May 13, 2021 - 4:11 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

jack, we’re heading to SC next Thursday and we decided to drive. When I read about SC and VA having these issues I began to worry a bit. I’m wondering if flying would be a better option. But we’re going to keep our original plans and hope we have no issues.

Hi, Edwzoomom! That's awesome! Let me be the first to welcome you in advance! wink
I don't know how much my area (Greenville/Spartanburg) represents the state, but it's spotty as to the supply. I drive 17 miles to Spartanburg to work each day and I pass by 15 gas stations. This morning only 5 of those had gas. Three are three mega stations and they all were open, but most all of the smaller places weren't.
I understand that the coastal area, Myrtle Beach, Charleston, etc., are in good shape for gas supply.
As Bob's post shows, Colonial expects to be back to normal by the middle of next week, so that's encouraging.

I hope your trip goes well and you have an awesome time here!

smile

 
 
 Posted:   May 14, 2021 - 12:03 PM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

So now the real story comes out. The hack only affected Colonial's business systems, not its operational systems. So, Colonial's ability to send product through the pipeline was never compromised. Colonial shut down the pipeline because it was afraid it wouldn't be able to accurately bill its customers for the product they received.

https://www.mediaite.com/news/colonial-pipeline-shut-down-distribution-because-it-couldnt-bill-customers-report/

 
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