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I hate them both... . Sorry, just kidding. I love them both. Different things, equally loved. I know its like asking who's your favorite child. Yeah, but one cannot chose a favorite child by just listening to a couple of 1 minute sample clips on the internet. ???? I think that most of us on this board have heard the main themes from Star Trek and Star wars more than 1 time and not from 1 minute sample clips.
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Too close to call. I like both for different reasons. I'm on a protracted Goldsmith binge of late so I would say ST but I think Star Wars elicits more of a sentimental pang, I'd have to lean towards that. Now, if we are comparing muscular action scores, and I know this is probably sacrilege, I prefer First Blood to Raiders... just my personal preference.
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Not OR. AND. I can listen to Goldsmith's theme and not have to think about murder and death. The Star Wars theme is all about preparing you for lots of it. Vote goes to Star Trek Did you not see the first five minutes of the film?
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Personally I prefer movies where if the main characters make a mistake, they own up to it and try to do better. When NuKirk makes a mistake, it's no big deal because he's awesome and that's good enough for everyone. It wasn't until the third movie before I even started to have any kind of investment towards NuKirk, and by then everyone was pretty much done with the reboot take. There is a LOT that I don't like about Into Darkness. But one of the recurring themes is that when Kirk screws up people pay for it. "I have no idea what I’m supposed to do. I only know what I can do. The Enterprise and her crew needs someone in that chair who knows what he’s doing. And it’s not me. It’s you, Spock." Clearly he knows he's awesome and can do no wrong. Also I can't properly compare MG's theme with either JW or JG since MG is scoring a film with no opening credits that sets the. He has that nice 10 second theme, but that's just something that's repeated over and over again. Gee, if only there were an entire suite of the theme that played at the end of the film in ALL THREE FILMS that Giacchino scored!
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I'll take TMP's main title over SW's. Of course I do listen to SW music, mostly the Charles Gerhardt versions. But I have infinitely more attachment to Star Trek as an overall franchise, while for Star Wars I can only tolerate the first two films from the 1970s. If you dislike most of a franchise, it's going to color your perception of the music.
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If I'm talking strictly the music, I love them both. Two different styles of music for two different styles of science fiction film. Star Wars is more iconic because it was much more popular and recognizable to the great unwashed. Play that music and most people will say "Hey Star Wars!" Play the TMP theme and you get, maybe "Star Trek??" or worse, "Yeah The Next Generation!!" I'm a Star Trek fan from almost birth. Star Wars is a favorite of mine, but come on, the franchise exists on the goodwill of two excellent films.
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"I have no idea what I’m supposed to do. I only know what I can do. The Enterprise and her crew needs someone in that chair who knows what he’s doing. And it’s not me. It’s you, Spock." Clearly he knows he's awesome and can do no wrong. Thing is, when a character openly expresses that one is better suited for the job, it's something that should 'stick'. Take the scene in Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan when the Enterprise is ordered to investigate Regula One and Spock insists to a reluctant Kirk that he should take command. Spock: If I may be so bold, it was a mistake for you to accept promotion. Commanding a starship is your first, best destiny. Anything else is a waste of material. This is something Kirk knows he wants and his best friend is giving him the nudge he needs to take it. And this isn't the end of Kirk taking command either. There are still some obstacles in his way if he's to do the job efficiently. The problem with 'Into Darkness' in having Kirk admit that the Enterprise needs Spock in command more than him is that it means nothing by the end. If the writers actually wanted give any real meaning to that moment, it should have stayed with Spock being the Captain and Kirk serving a different role. At least that would have been a nice divergence from what the audience expects because it not only would have shown that this universe wants to do things differently, it would have given that moment actual meaning. NuKirk has much to learn and experience before he should have been even considered captaining the starship, let alone the flagship of the Federation. But instead, he gets command of the Enterprise back because... he kicked something into submission. Gee, if only there were an entire suite of the theme that played at the end of the film in ALL THREE FILMS that Giacchino scored! That was a very nice rendition of the original series theme by Alexander Courage. I will not deny it. However, that's what it is. A 'rendition' of an existing theme. It was not an entirely original piece of music created for these movies. Alexander Courage created an original theme for TOS just as Jerry Goldsmith created an original theme for TMP. See what I mean?
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As much as there might be no Star Trek tMP without Star Wars, I can only say I listen to Goldsmith's music more than Williams'.
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Not my type of film. For Star Wars saw the original trilogy when they came out. Re-watched SW last year and barely made it through it. Tried the second one and declared myself done. Never saw the Star Trek movies or the series, in any of their incarnations. However, I love Goldsmith Star Trek TMP theme and score.
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Careful, Henry! A nerd-trigger question like this could bring down the website!
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Gee, if only there were an entire suite of the theme that played at the end of the film in ALL THREE FILMS that Giacchino scored! That was a very nice rendition of the original series theme by Alexander Courage. I will not deny it. However, that's what it is. A 'rendition' of an existing theme. It was not an entirely original piece of music created for these movies. Alexander Courage created an original theme for TOS just as Jerry Goldsmith created an original theme for TMP. See what I mean? The end titles of each of the three films end with Courage's music (mixed with G's main theme), then a selection of themes from the film (in the first film it's Spock's theme) followed by the Star Trek Main Theme. Heck, in the first issues of the OST for the second and third film there is a track called (wait for it) Star Trek Main Theme without the end credits suite. They are both about 3:30 long. As for Kirk's statement "sticking": It didn't stick when Shatner had his moments of self doubt either. By your example the problem is not that Kirk said Spock should have the ship it's that Spock didn't talk him out of it. Of course in Wrath of Khan when Kirk berates himself for being senile for some reason he doesn't turn command over to Spock either.
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