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 Posted:   Jun 6, 2021 - 6:11 AM   
 By:   Nono   (Member)

Well everything is subjective, of course. Otherwise we're talkimg about scores that mathematically don't fit their scenes due to the incorrect number of beats in a bar! But The Princess Bride is properly bad (though there will be some who love it).


Since we see the story through the eyes of a little boy, and that the visuals look intentionally cheap, the score actually fits the movie.

 
 Posted:   Jun 6, 2021 - 8:19 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

This thread seems to have gone off course.

It started out as scores that don't fit the films they were written for.

It seems to have turned into people simply listing scores and composers they personally don't like.

For some of the titles being mentioned, I can appreciate people might not like them, but I wouldn't say they didn't fit.

There are some truly bizarre nominations if the original question is still what applies.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 11:40 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Duel at Diablo Don't get me wrong - I love the score (listening to it as I type) and I like the film. The film treats the Apaches with more sympathy than most of its comtemporaries and that comes thru in the score as well.
Hefti's music is wonderful and I can't help but think that I have my own paradigm about how music for a western should sound - however a western film score should sound.
Some of the score is almost too hip for my ears for a western, with some contemporary and Batman touches; maybe that's the main issue. Again, nothing wrong with that, just doesn't seem to fit.
Honestly, when I listen to the more rock n roll - sounding parts of the score I get this mental image of
Interesting that this score was used for One Armed Swordsman (1967).

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Loren   (Member)

Amazed nobody has said Never Say Never Again—again!

Lukas


Love the movie and its humor. And I love how Legrand's eclectic score works in the picture.

When it first came out in the theater I appreciated how NSNA was imagined and presented as an alternative Bond movie.


Absolutely agree, NSNA is such a lovely score and imo fits perfectly. A fantastic Legrand score.
But I was (and still am) afraid of contradicting Lukas. smile

But of course I disagree with all gentle-people despising titles by Zimmer, Donaggio, Barry, Rosenman and (even!) Jarre. Nice music matters, "Max Steiner" fitting is sterile as much as negativity.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Amazed nobody has said Never Say Never Again—again!

Lukas


Love the movie and its humor. And I love how Legrand's eclectic score works in the picture.

When it first came out in the theater I appreciated how NSNA was imagined and presented as an alternative Bond movie.


Absolutely agree, NSNA is such a lovely score and imo fits perfectly. A fantastic Legrand score.
But I was (and still am) afraid of contradicting Lukas. smile

But of course I disagree with all gentle-people despising titles by Zimmer, Donaggio, Barry, Rosenman and (even!) Jarre. Nice music matters, "Max Steiner" fitting is sterile as much as negativity.


To Stephen Woolston's point though and mine as well, theoretically the score for a film will always match because it was literally allowed to be in the film AND it's SOMEONE'S interpretation of music for a film.

I agree with Lukas that I don't like Never Say Never Again's score and I think it doesn't match the movie... but the quality and tone of the movie is also equally unlikable to me so again, literally, the music matches the film.

Maybe that's the ultimate answer? Pretty much every film gets the score matched to it.

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 8:37 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

One for me is from one of my favorite franchises, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home. It doesn't mesh with the franchise nor does it mesh with the movie itself. I feel it's completely out of place and, to me, not listenable standalone.


You Got That Right…and This Russian Christmas Music Mess got an Oscar Nomination. Friends Nominating Friends..In the Music Branch.

And I know I will get push back…Star Trek: The Undiscovered Country …Truly Needed Jerry Goldsmith…The score is a dreary, mumbled mess of notes. It didn’t work in 1991, and Still Today it is Pure Junk. This Star Trek was good, and Poor Jerry Again was left out. Having Done Star Trek V. Which Goldsmiths score was better than Mess on the screen…As Soon as Those Old Farts Sing Row Row Your Boat…That Stunk Up The Movie House and Cheap Visuals And The Idiotic God Theme Sunk Star Trek V. But Jerry Goldsmiths score has outlasted William Shitners Failure. Too Much?

And Don’t get me Started on Ken Thorne’s London High School Band! That Wrecked Superman 2. 100% Blame goes to them Cheap O Producers, The Salkinds…who were cowards in Sending Richard Donner, after Superman’s Release, A Telegram saying to Donner…You Are Fired! Cowards!

 
 Posted:   Jun 10, 2021 - 8:43 PM   
 By:   townerbarry   (Member)

This thread seems to have gone off course.

It started out as scores that don't fit the films they were written for.

It seems to have turned into people simply listing scores and composers they personally don't like.

For some of the titles being mentioned, I can appreciate people might not like them, but I wouldn't say they didn't fit.

There are some truly bizarre nominations if the original question is still what applies.

Cheers



Stephen..Find me John Barry’s Whole score to The Tamarind Seed…Thanks!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2021 - 4:39 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

The Cat & the Canary has A good-cast of actors, the composer Steve Cagan write damn good music but it doesn't really fit at all, just a few suspenseful mo... just wondering is any label interested getting this one done! its mostly orchestral & a prominent church organ through the movie!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2021 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Expected to see The Third Man and Ryan's Daughter mentioned here. Nothing new. For me and whatever it's worth, I've come to appreciate the prevailing European style of irony (if not mockery, at times) in scoring which is very much a part of these pictures' effective viewing experience. And I have no doubt the intent of both composers was met. And also concede To Each His Own in the film-watching dept.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2021 - 8:58 AM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

Oh--forgot to mention--helps to differentiate "score" in the film from "soundtrack" in the standalone listening. 'Preciate the efforts of contributors here. smile

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2021 - 9:39 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Superman II was "wrecked" by the score, eh?

I give up...

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 13, 2021 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)

Superman II was "wrecked" by the score, eh?

I give up...


I don't get that statement either its the total opposite its partly recycles of Williams & Thornes material is pretty cool! Must be the crazy crisis having an effect!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 3:59 AM   
 By:   leagolfer   (Member)



Robocop 2 movie is crap too the original, if it didn't have Rosenman's dependability the blend would be forgotten, I give Basil the edge over LR, & The Lord of the Rings music weaves that movie perfectly so with Hellfighters & The Car & Race with the Devil & The Cat creature, Prophecy to. Steff & Co's judgment for finer detail is worlds apart from mine!

 
 Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 4:12 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • SCARFACE by Giorgio Moroder. The one weak element in an otherwise magnificent movie.

    Seconded. So distractingly banal, it almost took me out of the movie.

    As for Star Trek IV, who let in all that Christmas music?

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     Posted:   Jun 14, 2021 - 4:32 AM   
     By:   leagolfer   (Member)

  • SCARFACE by Giorgio Moroder. The one weak element in an otherwise magnificent movie.

    Seconded. So distractingly banal, it almost took me out of the movie.

    As for Star Trek IV, who let in all that Christmas music?


    That's your opinions for Scarface many would say that's a stupid statement, because the film is all about intensity taking-over, it needed that sort of music material too keep the film-fan guessing or on the edge of their seat!

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     Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 3:38 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • Oh man. I’m going to go hide before the mobs with torches and pitchforks find me.

    I stand opposite most people in that I love Star Trek Nemesis as a stand-alone listen. It’s a miracle Goldsmith was writing what he was writing as sick as he was. But to me it plays against the movie awkwardly. It’s felt to me that from time to time the music plays through and doesn’t respect scene changes and others the tempo doesn’t match what’s going on in the film.

    I don’t know. It might just be me. But it just never felt right in the film.


    I think this is a typical case of Goldsmith scoring something more exciting than it had any right to be or possibility of being. That movie... has problems (though I believe Tom Hardy was fantastic in it).

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     Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 3:41 AM   
     By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

  • That's your opinions for Scarface many would say that's a stupid statement, because the film is all about intensity taking-over, it needed that sort of music material too keep the film-fan guessing or on the edge of their seat!

    Far be it for people to resort to reductive retorts of others' opinions for the sake of ego, but it was minimalism taken to remedial levels - the cinematic equivalent of hearing Ricky and Lucy's child learning how to play drums. Whether it was used for a romantic scene or the climactic coda, I was begging for an overbearing Remote Control ostinato as times.

    See? That's how you don't revenge. Alright, good talk.

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     Posted:   Jun 15, 2021 - 4:31 AM   
     By:   leagolfer   (Member)

  • That's your opinions for Scarface many would say that's a stupid statement, because the film is all about intensity taking-over, it needed that sort of music material too keep the film-fan guessing or on the edge of their seat!

    Far be it for people to resort to reductive retorts of others' opinions for the sake of ego, but it was minimalism taken to remedial levels - the cinematic equivalent of hearing Ricky and Lucy's child learning how to play drums. Whether it was used for a romantic scene or the climactic coda, I was begging for an overbearing Remote Control ostinato as times.

    See? That's how you don't revenge. Alright, good talk.


    Revenge or ego what part didn't you get when I said "many" & Brian De Palma, solid director knew what he wanted did he not!

    I'll say this - that its Moroder's career best it works very-well with the visuals throughout by loveful or joyful mo.. & mainly for its narrative that is shock & awe.

    & fans have similar thoughts of Goldeneye that its useless that remark is really fictitious - but cool, I respect your mature offerings. wink

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