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 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Okay here we go. My new and improved clips are now live and cover around 40 minutes of the film. Enjoy!


Part 1 (Main Title, First Sale, The Body, Someone to Trust)
https://vimeo.com/566643418

Part 2 (What's The Trouble?, After Hours)
https://vimeo.com/566648345

Part 3 (Midnight Caller, Black Gas, No Use, Snapshots, The Alley)
https://vimeo.com/567078267

Part 4 (Beauty and the Beast, Ask Me, Protection)
https://vimeo.com/567343616

Part 5 (Three Months Pay, The Slaughter, Everything is True, Turn it Off, Final Shot)
https://vimeo.com/569224304

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 11:28 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Awesome. I look forward to how ever much more you do.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 11:31 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

It's interesting to watch this Goldsmith opener followed by Isham's. Totally different vibe. Goldsmith went for mellow and cool while Isham seemed to go for something sober and perhaps a little forlorn.

Goldsmith's is the more enticing listen, though; Isham's is more or less monochromatic.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Very nice work, Mr. Mutant.

The evidence is piling up: Mr. Goldsmith wins overwhelmingly.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 12:02 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

Goldsmith's is the more enticing listen, though; Isham's is more or less monochromatic.

Wow. Isham's must be really flat. I love Goldsmith's music, but this seemed to be continually winding up in preparation for going somewhere that it never went.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 12:11 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I personally find the Goldsmith to be the more consistent (and enjoyable to me) listen, but I do think the Isham has more variety. I like them both. Would be super interesting to experience the entire film with Goldsmith's score restored, to fairly judge it as a film score.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   Michaelware   (Member)

Yay I get to order The Vanishing theme again.

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 3:59 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Except it was in this before it was in The Vanishing (and it’s also better in this, IMO.)

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 22, 2021 - 11:06 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I personally find the Goldsmith to be the more consistent (and enjoyable to me) listen, but I do think the Isham has more variety. I like them both. Would be super interesting to experience the entire film with Goldsmith's score restored, to fairly judge it as a film score.

Yavar



I've taken down the main title clip to work on a semi-full restoration. Youtube won't allow clips past a certain length it seems. I've done the first 13 minutes of the movie in one whole chunk and it works beautifully.

Will upload from my Vimeo account soon.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 9:11 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Okay here we go. My new and improved clips are now live and cover about 20 minutes of the film. More to come. Enjoy!


Part 1 (Main Title, First Sale, The Body, Someone to Trust, The Alley)
https://vimeo.com/566643418


Part 2 (What's The Trouble?, After Hours)
https://vimeo.com/566648345

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 10:28 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

It works quite well, though I rather wish he hadn't employed electronics; a pet peeve of mine in period films otherwise scored idiomatically. And to be honest, this theme in skulking mode has always distracted in its similarity to Gremlins 2's.

Appreciate your efforts.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 11:10 AM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Man, I know how unpopular an opinion this is but I just can’t get into the way Goldsmith’s score plays over the film.

I said in the announcement thread that Goldsmith’s score almost played comic-booky or cartooney and I’m sticking to that assessment. For example, the scene where Pesci finds the corpse in the second clip is played far too cool by Goldsmith and his score doesn’t quite have the more serious, deft touch Isham’s has. And I concur with the post above mine: the “der der der der” electronics don’t help. I’m guessing we’ll see that Goldsmith’s rather samey score also sticks the movie into the rut of expressing a singular mood, something I again feel Isham’s avoided.

Personal opinion, probably unpopular, but I stand by it: easy to see why it was tossed.

Anyway, Mutant, THANK YOU for putting in so much hard work to do this for us.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 11:20 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Goldsmith's score is definitely in a "singular mood" -- one of the things I actually really like about it, in fact! Your opinion is totally valid, and kudos to you for (bravely?) expressing it so well. We are a film music discussion board, after all...

Yavar

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   Thgil   (Member)

If you take issue with electronics being used in a picture set before they were invented, don't watch any sword and sandal epics. You'll be disgusted by the use of orchestras in films set long before they existed (to say nothing of the versions of instruments used).

wink

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 1:26 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Man, I know how unpopular an opinion this is but I just can’t get into the way Goldsmith’s score plays over the film.

I said in the announcement thread that Goldsmith’s score almost played comic-booky or cartooney and I’m sticking to that assessment. For example, the scene where Pesci finds the corpse in the second clip is played far too cool by Goldsmith and his score doesn’t quite have the more serious, deft touch Isham’s has. And I concur with the post above mine: the “der der der der” electronics don’t help. I’m guessing we’ll see that Goldsmith’s rather samey score also sticks the movie into the rut of expressing a singular mood, something I again feel Isham’s avoided.

Personal opinion, probably unpopular, but I stand by it: easy to see why it was tossed.

Anyway, Mutant, THANK YOU for putting in so much hard work to do this for us.


Key word: "opinion" and we all know how rare, special and precious they are.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 1:37 PM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

The Mutant,

Excellent job! Thank you for your efforts. I love the way this score plays with the film. Fantastic. Also, Goldsmith's spotting was always second-to-none and I'm very impressed by how you locate the correct/logical cue placement for all of your videos.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 1:51 PM   
 By:   spook   (Member)

Brilliant work ‘Mutant’. It’s great to see the ‘what if’ option in reality and really gives you a proper feel for the effect of the music in the scene.
In the other thread I leapt to the defence of Mark Islam’s score without hearing this but my point was really that I think folk go into these things with a preset bias as it’s their favourite composer. Honestly ..if this was a rejected score by someone you’d never heard of would you feel the same way about it? I admit I’m the same coming from the other end as Mark Isham’s no.1 for me.
I can honestly say though in my opinion this just doesn’t work as it takes the darker edge off the scenes for me. I think ‘c8’ was bang on when he said how it changes the feel .. and for me not for the better. The Public Eye was a pretty grim drama and I think Mark captured that with the hint of dark sadness he brought. I felt Jerry’s score made it too light. Not that I don’t think it’s not a good score and I look forward to getting it….just not better.
..okay….I’ll get my coat.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 1:59 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

But Peschi's character doesn't take the murder seriously, apart from wanting to profit from it. And clearly Goldsmith is scoring to character. So, no, I don't think the tone taken is inappropriate at all.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 2:06 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

The Public Eye was a pretty grim drama and I think Mark captured that with the hint of dark sadness he brought. I felt Jerry’s score made it too light.

What cues in the Goldsmith score do you consider light, much less too light? To me it sounds like a very consistently downbeat score. I thought maybe the problem the director had with it was that it was too relentlessly dark!

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 2:21 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

The Mutant,

Excellent job! Thank you for your efforts. I love the way this score plays with the film. Fantastic. Also, Goldsmith's spotting was always second-to-none and I'm very impressed by how you locate the correct/logical cue placement for all of your videos.



Thank you!

I really obsess over getting the timing as accurate as I can.
I’ll be working on restoring more large chunks of the movie today. Should hopefully have it up tonight.
I really enjoy reading all of your reactions and discussions.


Ps - my Vimeo channel has been restored back to premium, so any of my previous videos (Timeline, Gladiator) that may have temporarily gone missing are now back online.

 
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