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 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 5:06 AM   
 By:   Replicant8   (Member)

Still to this day , i am shaking my head in disbelief- call it what you want bad or good ,it is still an award to

recognize merit of achievement.


1979- GIORGIO MORODOR - MIDNIGHT EXPRESS -won over JOHN WILLIAMS -SUPERMAN, even though

MORODOR is talented in his own right -nominated SUPERMAN score has endured through the years GLORIOUSLY!


1983-VANGELIS -BLADE RUNNER -did not even get nominated- as well as CONAN THE BARBARIAN-ET ruled

2000- CROUCHING TIGER HIDDEN DRAGON -TAN DUN won over HANS ZIMMER -GLADIATOR - this ZIMMER score

in particular is distinctly worthy of high praise.


any others i might have missed???

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 5:24 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

MORODOR? MORDOR or MORODER ?

"MIDNIGHT EXPRESS -won over JOHN WILLIAMS -SUPERMAN !!!!"

The Jury was certainly deaf and drunk.

In 1987 Herbie Hancock's Around Midnight won over Morricone's Mission . They gave an honorary Oscar to the maestro to salute his formidable and magnificent career and then perhaps realizing that it was a little humiliating (so many greats scores) another Oscar for the not so terrible music of Tantarantino's 8 bastards.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 5:49 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

Yeah, in 1983 E. T. won over the not even nominated Body Heat.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 6:15 AM   
 By:   Replicant8   (Member)

MORODOR? MORDOR or MORODER ?

"MIDNIGHT EXPRESS -won over JOHN WILLIAMS -SUPERMAN !!!!"

The Jury was certainly deaf and drunk.

In 1987 Herbie Hancock's Around Midnight won over Morricone's Mission . They gave an honorary Oscar to the maestro to salute his formidable and magnificent career and then perhaps realizing that it was a little humiliating (so many greats scores) another Oscar for the not so terrible music of Tantarantino's 8 bastards.



my bad - M O R O D E R - i sit corrected

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 6:17 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Yeah, in 1983 E. T. won over the not even nominated Body Heat.

Body Heat and E.T. were not released the same year. That's why.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 6:25 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Yeah, in 1983 E. T. won over the not even nominated Body Heat.

Body Heat and E.T. were not released the same year. That's why.


Hahaha! Bullseye!

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 6:36 AM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

That explains it!

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 6:40 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

The Oscars are more or less irrelevant, regardless of what PandaMan thinks about it.

The greatest scores, the greatest films are not, should not, and will not be determined by a bunch of Hollywood wankers. A quick glance at my CD collection reminds me of that fact every single time.

Morodor won? Doesn't matter. I have the LaLaLand Superman set and NOT his boring and lazy electronica.

Vangelis didn't win? A very good thing because his noodlings can't be compared to the Masterpieces that are Conan and ET.

And so on... It doesn't matter what the "Academy" thinks or more likely "feels".

There are no objective criteria, and the "Academy" wouldn't know what to do with them if there were and they'd still manage to muck it up. The sorry spectacle we are subjected to year in and year out is just a party for a bunch of narcissistic, virtue signaling "actors" and industry people, no more, no less.*

No disrespect to the technical people. They are the ones who make most of the magic happen.

* For an excellent summation, check Ricky Gervais tearing the phonies a new one.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:08 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

There have been a few scores which were shoo-ins to win the Oscar.

Nothing was going to beat Jaws, Star Wars or ET.

Nothing was going to beat Chariots of Fire. (so much radio play of the famous theme)

Nothing was going to beat Dances With Wolves.

Nothing was going to beat Titanic. (again, radio play of the song and mega-selling soundtrack)

Nothing was going to beat Lord of the Rings.

I'm sure there are others but those were the ones that sprang to my mind when it comes to Oscar certainties.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:19 AM   
 By:   Replicant8   (Member)

history has not been kind

1995 - good year -JAMES HORNER nominated 2X -APOLLO 13 + BRAVEHEART -lost to THE POSTMAN (IL POSTINO)
Luis Enrique Bacalov

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Gustavo got lucky two years in a row I remember. Can't recall who he beat out, but I'm sure a few big names were in the mix. Seems so long ago now.

I believe the year he won for BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN, John Williams was up for both MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA and MUNICH.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:29 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Gustavo got lucky two years in a row I remember. Can't recall who he beat out, but I'm sure a few big names were in the mix. Seems so long ago now.

These examples just confirm my previous post. Even Desplat's very slight, very simplistic score for The Queen was head and shoulders above Gustavo's scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:39 AM   
 By:   Replicant8   (Member)

BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN-2006 - WINNER
Gustavo Santaolalla

NOMINEES

THE CONSTANT GARDENER
Alberto Iglesias
MEMOIRS OF A GEISHA
John Williams
MUNICH
John Williams
PRIDE & PREJUDICE
Dario Marianelli




BABEL-Gustavo Santaolalla-WINNER 2007

NOMINEES

THE GOOD GERMAN
Thomas Newman
NOTES ON A SCANDAL
Philip Glass
PAN'S LABYRINTH
Javier Navarrete
THE QUEEN
Alexandre Desplat

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:45 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

Moroder's MIDNIGHT EXPRESS along with beating Williams' SUPERMAN, won over Dave Grusin's HEAVEN CAN WAIT, Ennio Morricone's DAYS OF HEAVEN and Jerry Goldsmith's THE BOYS FROM BRAZIL that year.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   Hurdy Gurdy   (Member)

I actually think Gustavo's BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN score is very tuneful and pretty and I don't mind its win.
But him winning the following year, for a piece that had previously (and would subsequently) disqualify nominees was a joke.
You need only compile a list of the names of the GREAT FILM COMPOSERS who never won one, or were given a token award, to realise it is just a silly Popularity Contest and more often than not, it's less about the music and more about the (flavour of the month) film it is attached to.

 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 8:05 AM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I actually think Gustavo's BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN score is very tuneful and pretty and I don't mind its win.
But him winning the following year, for a piece that had previously (and would subsequently) disqualify nominees was a joke.
You need only compile a list of the names of the GREAT FILM COMPOSERS who never won one, or were given a token award, to realise it is just a silly Popularity Contest and more often than not, it's less about the music and more about the (flavour of the month) film it is attached to.


... and pointless when it comes to determining the "best" score. Santaolla's slight music will be soon forgotten, if it isn't already.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 8:09 AM   
 By:   Zooba   (Member)

I remember cursing at the TV Screen the year Bill Conti's THE RIGHT STUFF beat out Jerry Goldsmith's UNDER FIRE.

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Replicant8   (Member)

There have been a few scores which were shoo-ins to win the Oscar.

Nothing was going to beat Jaws, Star Wars or ET.

Nothing was going to beat Chariots of Fire. (so much radio play of the famous theme)

Nothing was going to beat Dances With Wolves.

Nothing was going to beat Titanic. (again, radio play of the song and mega-selling soundtrack)

Nothing was going to beat Lord of the Rings.

I'm sure there are others but those were the ones that sprang to my mind when it comes to Oscar certainties.



WINNER
DANCES WITH WOLVES
John Barry

NOMINEES

AVALON
Randy Newman
GHOST
Maurice Jarre
HAVANA
David Grusin
HOME ALONE
John Williams

bummed out- JERRY GOLDSMITH -TOTAL RECALL+ BASIL POLEDOURIS -THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER-no nom -no joy

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 8:17 AM   
 By:   Replicant8   (Member)

There have been a few scores which were shoo-ins to win the Oscar.

Nothing was going to beat Jaws, Star Wars or ET.

Nothing was going to beat Chariots of Fire. (so much radio play of the famous theme)

Nothing was going to beat Dances With Wolves.

Nothing was going to beat Titanic. (again, radio play of the song and mega-selling soundtrack)

Nothing was going to beat Lord of the Rings.

I'm sure there are others but those were the ones that sprang to my mind when it comes to Oscar certainties.



WINNER-1990
DANCES WITH WOLVES
John Barry

NOMINEES

AVALON
Randy Newman
GHOST
Maurice Jarre
HAVANA
David Grusin
HOME ALONE
John Williams

bummed out- JERRY GOLDSMITH -TOTAL RECALL+ BASIL POLEDOURIS -THE HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER-no nom -no joy

 
 
 Posted:   Jun 23, 2021 - 8:22 AM   
 By:   John B. Archibald   (Member)

In 1953, when Alfred Newman’s masterful score for THE ROBE wasn’t even nominated, Franz Waxman resigned from the Academy in protest.
Curiously, Newman actually won an Oscar that year for his adapted score for CALL ME MADAM.
(FYI: the other original scores nominated that year were ABOVE AND BEYOND, FROM HERE TO ETERNITY, JULIUS CAESAR, LILI, and THIS IS CINERAMA. LILI won.)

 
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