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LOG IN Forgot Login? Register General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board Search Terms:  Search Within:  topics posts since 2019 2018 posts 2017 posts 2016 posts 2015 posts 2014 posts 2013 posts 2012 posts 2011 posts 2010 posts 2009 posts 2008 posts 2007 posts 2006 posts 2005 posts 2004 posts 2003 posts 2002 posts 2001 posts 2000 posts users  search tips  You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6      General Discussion: STAR TREK TMP DIRECTOR'S CUT - Coming to 4K!     1 2 3    NEXT   LAST   Last Post   Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 4:12 PM     By:   EdG   (Member) Coming soon to Paramount+ and home video: https://www.startrek.com/news/directors-edition-of-star-trek-the-motion-picture-set-to-be-fully-restored "The restoration will be undertaken by producer David C. Fein, restoration supervisor Mike Matessino, and visual effects supervisor Daren R. Dochterman, all of whom worked previously with director Robert Wise." Hard to believe it's been 20 years since STTMP-DC came out on dvd.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 4:26 PM     By:   bladerunner76   (Member) Honestly never thought I would see the day! Great news, indeed!    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 4:33 PM     By:   Warlok   (Member) David C. Fein?!? Oh maaannnnnn... I could restore the Director's Cut. I just don't wanna. also,    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 4:51 PM     By:   Advise & Consent   (Member) Soundtrack sense tingling: I predict a re-issue of LaLaLand's 3 CD ST:TMP set!    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 5:20 PM     By:   c8   (Member) New Blu-Ray also gonna have an isolated score track in Dolby 2.0. Which, I mean, seems redundant because when I watch the movie I thought it was one long isolated score track?/s (Jkjk…TMP is actually my favorite of the TOS movies) https://www.startrek.com/news/celebrate-the-55th-anniversary-with-these-new-star-trek-releases-and-more?fbclid=IwAR2A528g4I4DrBWJAKU09zMO7VeFSXM7DeJ5L2sidpI4OPr7FG8cjuAsSvw    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 5:23 PM     By:   Spymaster   (Member) David C. Fein?!? Oh maaannnnnn... I could restore the Director's Cut. I just don't wanna. also, His work on the ST:TMP DE was better than his work for LLL. That's all I'm saying.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 5:37 PM     By:   JGouse0498   (Member) It looks like the Director's Cut won't hit physical 4K disc until next year. First up is going to be a box set of the first four movies with TMP being the theatrical cut.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 6:02 PM     By:   EdG   (Member) There’s also going to be an “exclusivity window” on Paramount+ so we have about 9 months of production followed by a streaming rollout and then a physical release. You can look to Snyder’s JUSTICE LEAGUE for a model that Paramount will probably follow. I wonder who will produce the new effects shots?    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 7:50 PM     By:   Jeyl   (Member) I wonder who will produce the new effects shots? They're getting the whole gang back together. Daren, Adam, the works.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 7:55 PM     By:   EdG   (Member) I wonder who will produce the new effects shots? They're getting the whole gang back together. Daren, Adam, the works. Sorry, I was thinking of which effects house. I presumed it might be the one that’s been working on the new Treks on Paramount+ but I haven’t heard specifically.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 7:57 PM     By:   Spinmeister   (Member) It would be awfully nice of them to reinstate the Klingon and Cloud bits, though, the absence of which make not a dent in the runtime or pace of the film. Particularly the Klingon bit. Knowing the score so well those few cut seconds make it sound like a hiccup in Goldsmith's music.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 8:07 PM     By:   Jeyl   (Member) "Sorry, I was thinking of which effects house. I presumed it might be the one that’s been working on the new Treks on Paramount+ but I haven’t heard specifically." The folks who worked on the effects for the Director's Edition may not work in the same house anymore, but they have been mentally preparing for the potential upgrade to the Director's Edition ever since High Definition movies were commercially available. Daren has stated on his blog that the CGI Enterprise Refit model has gone through so many revisions and upgrades that there isn't a single original polygon left on the ship when it was used for the new effects work on the Director's Edition. And that comment was YEARS ago. I can only imagine how the lovely the refit looks now. Adam 'Mojo' Lebowitz has also stated on numerous occasions that all the files used to create the new effects for the Director's Edition were saved. This is a biggie since a lot of CGI effects work for movies and shows are seldom saved at all. Plus, the effects houses working on the new Star Trek shows should STAY THE FUDGE away from this movie. Unlike the original gang, they have never directly with Robert Wise on the film and have mostly work on Star Trek that's as far detached to 'honoring' what the look and feel of Star Trek was like at the time. Last thing I want to see is lens flares, camera shakes and zoom in/zoom outs at random instances. Or worse, putting 'their' Discovery Enterprise on the wall of Enterprises. Fudge that noise and fudge it hard.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 8:35 PM     By:   Jeyl   (Member) It would be awfully nice of them to reinstate the Klingon and Cloud bits, though, the absence of which make not a dent in the runtime or pace of the film. Particularly the Klingon bit. Knowing the score so well those few cut seconds make it sound like a hiccup in Goldsmith's music. You talking about the Epsilon 9 shots where we hear a computer talk over Klingon footage? That was cut for a very good reason. Or reasons if you'll indulge me. 1. It makes the Klingons sound goofy. They're in the middle of getting their butts kicked and one of the Captains decides to make a 'anyone can hear us' call to say that they're getting their butts kicked? 2. The information provided by the computer spoils crucial details that are simply redundant when we're told the same information by the Epsilon 9 crew later in the film. It's better having the Epsilon 9 crew figure this information out for themselves. 3. The editing is pretty choppy. If you watch the Klingon footage on the station's monitor, it cuts back and forth to different takes all within the same shot. Plus the Klingon Captain sounds like he's enjoying a roller coaster more than a commander enduring a powerful alien attack. That sound he makes after the computer says "Our sensor scans are unable to penetrate" sounds like he's laughing! 4. Showing the Klingon captain get blown away creates not just one, but two continuity errors. First is that it's the same Klingon Captain played by Mark Lenard. He goes from standing behind his chair being blasted away to sitting comfortably a moment later like nothing happened. Even if it was a different Klingon Captain on one of the three ships, that's not how the V'Ger weapon works. It doesn't rock the ship, it slowly consumes it. 5. Jerry Goldsmith's music doesn't suffer from the edits. The Klingon theme still comes in on the same exact note. It just gets to the point a bit quicker. I doubt anyone who hasn't watched the Theatrical Cut will be thrown off in the slightest.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 8:40 PM     By:   EdG   (Member) I sense you have strong feelings about Trek. ;-) I was wondering because of a comment from Darren and Mike on Treksperts that the files were saved but the software applications used are no longer available and 2 decades out of date so the effects will have to be redone using the dvd as a template. As for the "look" of the effects: that, of course, is determined by the producers not the effects house so I would think any shop that Paramount has a good working relationship with will be able to deliver upgraded effects consistent with Wise's preferences.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 8:48 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Not a fan of the Directors Cut. It chops up Goldsmiths music. I don't like shortening the voyage thru V'ger. Really not interested in additional CGI footage of the Enterprise. The model work stands for itself. And the biggest reason of all, "There's no crying in outer space!"    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 9:06 PM     By:   Landstander   (Member) I really hope they restore the sound effects/ambiance mix back to the original theatrical edition. My chief complaint about the Director's Cut was that key sounds like the distinctive alert klaxon and background sounds were replaced with super generic and cheesy sounding effects. The result was that the ship didn't feel as alive. All the other enhancements from the DC were superb though.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 9:14 PM     By:   Spinmeister   (Member) Points well taken, Jeyl. Ya, the shaking about bit was always counterintuitive, but still … the missing MUSIC, man! In any case, what would be really groovy is if they could re-align that botched effects shot of the probe passing in front of the camera on the bridge. And, yes, too much bleeping and blooping sfx. Not every button pushed has to have a corresponding sound. A vote here for the original klaxon, too.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 9:16 PM     By:   Solium   (Member) Directors Cuts ruin the soundtracks. Star Trek: TMP, Star Trek: TWOK, Empire Strikes Back and Troy to name a few wreck the scores as composed by the composers. Chops them up, puts them in loops. It's awful.    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 9:16 PM     By:   EdG   (Member) According to StarTrek.com they're going to release a new 4K transfer/mastering of the STTMP Theatrical Cut on Sept 7 for the 55th (?!?) Anniversary which will be exactly as we remember it and the Director's Cut will follow next year some time. I'm glad we'll have both cuts because I think the DC works better as a film but the theatrical cut is the one I grew up with and I still love it. https://www.startrek.com/news/celebrate-the-55th-anniversary-with-these-new-star-trek-releases-and-more    Posted:   Jul 7, 2021 - 9:37 PM     By:   Jeyl   (Member) I really hope they restore the sound effects/ambiance mix back to the original theatrical edition. My chief complaint about the Director's Cut was that key sounds like the distinctive alert klaxon and background sounds were replaced with super generic and cheesy sounding effects. The result was that the ship didn't feel as alive. All the other enhancements from the DC were superb though. While I wasn't a huge fan of the new red alert klaxon myself, I did come to understand why it needed to be changed. The biggest reason being that the new klaxon mix allows for more 'quiet' spaces. The original was a constant BR!BR!BR!BR!BR!BR! non-stop, while the new one is Brrrrr!_____ Brrrrr!_____ Brrrrr!_____. I much prefer a klaxon that gives a brief moment of silence. Plus the sound team took full advantage of the new klaxon by adding it to parts of the film where the original wasn't even played. If you watch the wormhole sequence for example, the new Klaxon can be heard throughout the entire sequence instead of just cutting off after Kirk puts his chair restraints on. And when time starts to move much slower in the wormhole, the klaxon sounds slower as well! That effect wouldn't have been nearly as effective with the original klaxon. And what ambiance are you referring to? The Theatrical Cut of TMP has almost no ambient sound at all! The bridge sounds completely dead even when buttons are pushed. I know many have pointed out that the sound added to the bridge comes straight from the Enterprise B bridge (Probably from the very Star Trek Generations soundtrack that featured it), but it still has those original series sounds that gives the refit Enterprise an audible continuity. Here's hoping that we get a new bridge mix for the 4K release.     General Discussion: STAR TREK TMP DIRECTOR'S CUT - Coming to 4K!    < 1 2 3  > >>  Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6   First Post    General Discussion • Trading Post • Non-Film Score Discussion  Profile • Preferences • Community Rules • Help/Contact • Search Board You must log in or register to post.   Go to page:  1 2 3 4 5 6

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