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 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 12:15 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I've recently upgraded my hardware/software to allow me to more accurately isolate different audio channels.
This means I'll be going back and re-doing a bunch of clips starting with 2 Days in The Valley.

So I've started a new thread dedicated to these updated clips.

The Arrival/Questions, Roy's Last Minute, One Last Walk, Reflection:
https://vimeo.com/577356466

Terminating Pizzo, Dosmo and Mark, Hello Dosmo:
https://vimeo.com/577308254

Rude Awakening, The Cemetery:
https://vimeo.com/manage/videos/347972353

Becky and Helga/ Hostage Negotiating / Lotus/The Suspension Notice:
https://vimeo.com/577424776

Valley Cops get Killed, Helga’s Last Minute, Street Convergence, Shootout, Death of the Villlain, Toupee or not Toupee, End Credits, End Credit Suite (constructed by yours truly)
https://vimeo.com/579014531

The way he scores the dog stuff is very "The Burbs"
There's also a touch of Basic Instinct whenever Charlize is on screen.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 12:37 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I've recently upgraded my hardware/software to allow me to more accurately isolate different audio channels.
This means I'll be going back and re-doing a bunch of clips starting with 2 Days in The Valley.

So I've started a new thread dedicated to these updated clips.

Terminating Pizzo, Dosmo and Mark, Hello Dosmo:
https://vimeo.com/577308254

The way he scores the dog stuff is very "The Burbs"
There's also a touch of Basic Instinct whenever Charlize is on screen.


Nicely done, Mr. Mutant. Are you an editor by training? If you're not, someone, someone good, should hire you.

The movie, on the other hand, seems to be made from five kinds of shi-te.


 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 12:59 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Thanks. I've done some stuff semi-professionally in the past. This is just a hobby for me really.
I love watching this stuff sync up.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Never seen a minute of this film before now so I don't know how the replacement score works. But I'll say if the rest of the movie is anything like this clip that

1) Its dreadful dreadful dreadful

2) Goldsmith carried his weight more than he should have had to and the movie is worse for his rejection. He fit the mood I was sensing perfectly.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 2:31 PM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

This is the sourest of the Goldsmith rejections (excluding LEGEND). I acknowledge that Anthony Marinelli has had a fine career with some very prestigious collaborations, but his score to 2 DAYS IN THE VALLEY is one of the worst of the 90s. It's incredibly cheap and lacking in feeling, and makes the movie feel even more like a Tarantino ripoff. One can rationalize previous Goldsmith rejections; ALIEN NATION and GLADIATOR were lower-tier Goldsmith, and Isham did a fine job replacing him on THE PUBLIC EYE. The 2 DAYS rejection was disgraceful lapse on the part of the filmmakers.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 2:41 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Here's a new chunk:

The Arrival/Questions - Roy's Last Minute - One Last Walk - Reflection:
https://vimeo.com/577356466

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 7:10 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Third new chunk. I really like the Basic Instinct-heavy scene here. It works really well for the Charlize character. Also some pretty heavy, dramatic stuff for Jeff Daniels towards the end.

Becky and Helga/ Hostage Negotiating / Lotus/The Suspension Notice:
https://vimeo.com/577424776

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 7:17 PM   
 By:   c8   (Member)

Gonna say it again.

Rejecting this score was criminal. It fits the movie like a glove and amplifies what’s on the screen beyond what’s actually there. It’s a dreadful movie but, to my ears, the music works to try to balance the whole thing out.

 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 10:24 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

Gonna say it again.

Rejecting this score was criminal. It fits the movie like a glove and amplifies what’s on the screen beyond what’s actually there. It’s a dreadful movie but, to my ears, the music works to try to balance the whole thing out.


It's been 25 years since I've seen the film, but Goldsmith makes the movie much heavier and more serious than I remember it being. I don't know if it started one way and then Pulp Fiction was a hit. But I recall it being an OK movie with a cast that was just fun to watch. I was a little perplexed when I found out that Goldsmith was the original composer. This doesn't change that feeling.

OTOTH I don't remember a thing about the music and I think I owned the OST CD. I also don't remember the subplot with Louise Fletcher at all.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 20, 2021 - 10:35 PM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

I'd like to see "Helga's Minute" back in the scene. It has some nice tension during the escape attempt.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 5:03 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

I'd like to see "Helga's Minute" back in the scene. It has some nice tension during the escape attempt.


I’ll be doing that next. Hopefully have it done by tonight.

 
 Posted:   Jul 21, 2021 - 12:07 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I'd like to see "Helga's Minute" back in the scene. It has some nice tension during the escape attempt.


I’ll be doing that next. Hopefully have it done by tonight.


@ Mr. Mutant: Nicely done, Sir. These videos are great. I've been reassessing Goldsmith's 90's scores and videos such as these are a tremendous help, and they add a new insight to the work. In fact, I'm going to give "2 Days in the Valley", a score I've only listened to a few times, another spin right now.

Cheers!

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 6:59 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

OK this is one of the biggest clips I’ve ever attempted. I managed to restore the entire last 30 minutes of 2 Days in the Valley. This clip shows just how diverse the score is. It seems like Jerry was having a lot of fun scoring the James Spader character. We also get to see how the “Fierce Creatures” theme originated here.

This chunk is made up of several tracks:

-Valley Cops Get Killed

-Helga’s Last Minute

-Street Convergence / Shootout

-Death of the Villain

-Toupee or no Toupee / End Credits

I made an end credit suite starting around 22:58.


I hope this gives people a deeper appreciation of this underrated music and how it works in the film. I think it deserves a reassessment.


Here it is, the last act of the movie - over 27 minutes, uncut with sound effects and dialogue.
If you haven’t gotten around to watching any 2 Days in the Valley clips yet, trust me, this is the one to watch. It’s astounding how many styles he employs here flawlessly.

The Final Act:
https://vimeo.com/579014531

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 11:52 AM   
 By:   DavidCorkum   (Member)

OK this is one of the biggest clips I’ve ever attempted.

We appreciate your hard work. Thanks very much!

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 11:57 AM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

OK this is one of the biggest clips I’ve ever attempted.

We appreciate your hard work. Thanks very much!


My pleasure. I’ve been obsessed with these clips lately and feel compelled to do them. Once I get started I just can’t stop. This clip took roughly 4.5 hours to complete. It was a very satisfying experiment. I’m really glad you guys dig them and I love reading the subsequent discourse.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 12:42 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

This is the sourest of the Goldsmith rejections (excluding LEGEND). I acknowledge that Anthony Marinelli has had a fine career with some very prestigious collaborations, but his score to 2 DAYS IN THE VALLEY is one of the worst of the 90s. It's incredibly cheap and lacking in feeling, and makes the movie feel even more like a Tarantino ripoff. One can rationalize previous Goldsmith rejections; ALIEN NATION and GLADIATOR were lower-tier Goldsmith, and Isham did a fine job replacing him on THE PUBLIC EYE. The 2 DAYS rejection was disgraceful lapse on the part of the filmmakers.

I agree with all of this although regardless of what people think of the score as a listening experience - his Alien Nation score adds a whole layer of depth that is lacking from the replacement score. They should have kept that one too IMO.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 3:30 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

I agree with all of this although regardless of what people think of the score as a listening experience - his Alien Nation score adds a whole layer of depth that is lacking from the replacement score. They should have kept that one too IMO.

They should have indeed. The replacement score is merely ok, nothing more and, as you say, none of the various layers and themes are touched upon by it. Heck, I'm pretty sure that even Mr. Baseball, a score and movie I'm absolutely not fond of, would have suffered in lesser, far less skilled, hands than those of Mr. Goldsmith.

Some wanker, earlier in this thread or another one I've seen recently said that Goldsmith's reputation with film score fans had more to do with the sheer number of genre films he scored more than anything else and in one fell (and unbelievably lazy) swoop negated the incredible dramatic instincts Goldsmith could apply to a film (even the lesser ones). Did I say the guy was wanker?

In any case, thanks for the great work Mr. Mutant. It really helps to gain new insight in the work of a film music giant.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 3:43 PM   
 By:   The Mutant   (Member)

Thanks. I don’t think I’ve seen that post. They were most likely on my ignore list.

One amusing anecdote regarding this clip - When Spader shoots Carradine, I was unable to properly isolate Spader’s little “kissy, kissy” thing, so I recorded myself doing it. Those are my kissy sounds you hear at the beginning. One of the most unusual things I’ve had to do for these clips for sure.

 
 Posted:   Jul 25, 2021 - 4:42 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Thanks. I don’t think I’ve seen that post. They were most likely on my ignore list.

One amusing anecdote regarding this clip - When Spader shoots Carradine, I was unable to properly isolate Spader’s little “kissy, kissy” thing, so I recorded myself doing it. Those are my kissy sounds you hear at the beginning. One of the most unusual things I’ve had to do for these clips for sure.


Hahaha! Hilarious! big grin You're a Legend in the making, man!

 
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