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 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 8:07 AM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

I definitely vote for STAR TREK TMP and POLTERGEIST as best suitable projects for possible Jerry Goldsmith upcoming live-to-film score performances.

These movies both have about one hour music plus, mainly or totally orchestral, are well known because of their own success plus subsequent franchise, may enter in the «family» entertainment category as much as STAR WARS and JAWS that both already got the live-to-film score performance.

FIRST BLOOD would be a dream come true.

As THE BLUE MAX with the original music editing played live as intended by Goldsmith before beeing altered byJohn Guillermin in the final movie cut.

CHINATOWN and PATTON scores are much too short to justify a live to film score performance. Unfortunately.

TOTAL RECALL, BASIC INSTINCT, AIR FORCE ONE, obviously just be too violent for family audience. THE OMEN too scary.

Challengers? FIRST KNIGHT and THE MUMMY.
Not a personal choice, but may be feasable anyway.

But who's gonna pay and arrange such barely break-even projects?

 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 8:16 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Justin Freer? When I interviewed him a couple years ago he clearly wanted to do more Goldsmith live to picture after Rudy…


 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

Why not The Secret of N.I.M.H.? It's 99% orchestral, neo-romantic and rated G.

 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 9:38 AM   
 By:   Tom Guernsey   (Member)

As others have said, there are precious few films that he scored which have enough wide appeal and, perhaps more to the point, still have wide appeal. Sure, something like The Mummy might have been popular at the time, but I'm not sure a huge number of people are necessarily clamouring to pay £60 to watch it with the score performed live.

While plenty of films he scored would be great to see, the clear winner for me is ST:TMP given that it's one of his best scores and there's long periods without much in the way of dialogue or sound effects. In reference to the comments about the blaster beam, at one of the concerts I saw him conduct in London, he performed a lengthy suite from ST:TMP (can't remember exactly and don't have the programme any more, but I'm guessing Main Theme, Klingon Battle, The Enterprise, The Cloud, V'Ger Flyover or some combination of those) and it included a blaster beam with the orchestra. It was at the Barbican (I think) and they even used the organ. It was pretty astonishing live. Don't think it would be impossible to get all that together at the Royal Albert Hall, which also has a massive organ (as it were). I guess the only thing missing might be the more subtle synth enhancements but I'm not sure you miss much without them. I reckon you could plausibly get together enough film music and Star Trek fans together to make it worthwhile... maybe.

 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 10:09 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I guess the only thing missing might be the more subtle synth enhancements but I'm not sure you miss much without them.

On that note, RETURN OF THE JEDI played without choir at all so all the stuff with the Emperor and Vader & Luke fighting were choir-free.

But it was interesting for the Emperor's music because there is a high harp section of arpeggios that plays throughout which you don't hear on the album mix which favors the vocals. The harp section is really spooky, almost more so than the choir.

So even with some missing elements, the music still works quite well.

 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 2:11 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

This thread getting me hoping for more live-to-film score performance make me feel that STAR TREK TMP and POLTERGEIST are actually extremely close in style, in their respective big extended climax scenes....

They both heavily rely on epic orchestral writing with gothic or biblic proportions, perfecly fitting the concert hall acoustics. They also both suggest something strange, mysterious, threatening, enormous foreign force.

Low strings, deep brasses....This is damn deadly serious ambitious music in the very best way.

This is pure Jerry Goldsmith magic creativness at its very very best, in his top of the top big orchestral era (1978>1983) that also includes ALIEN, NIGHT CROSSING, FINAL CONFLICT, THE SECRET OF NIMH, FIRST BLOOD and TWILIGHT ZONE THE MOVIE with wide space room sound.

Incidentally, with SUPERMAN, THE EMPIRE STIKES BACK, RAIDERS OF THE LOST ARK and E.T. this 1978>1983 era is also a peak orchestral period for John Williams, by chance!...and it's also the same for John Barry with MOONRAKER and THE BLACK HOLE, HIGH ROAD TO CHINA....and of course for James Horner STAR TREK II, KRULL, BRAINSTORM, STAR TREK III.

Back to Goldsmith, the orchestral package and dramatic progression are nearly the same between the whole V'JER long sequence from STAR TREK TMP and the Lets' get Her/Rebirth sequence from POLTERGEIST.

V'JER 25 min suite nearly could fit in POLTERGEIST:

LET'S GET HER/REBIRTH 16 min sequence could be in an alternate STAR TREK movie:

This is enough evidence that these 2 scores are the perfect candidate for a Jerry Goldsmith live-to-film performance.
Let's hope this for 2024...

 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 2:28 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Why not The Secret of N.I.M.H.? It's 99% orchestral, neo-romantic and rated G.

That's a great idea! And getting someone to re-perform the song would be less weird than all the (non-Goldsmith) songs having to be re-done live for Mulan.


 Posted:   Aug 4, 2021 - 5:37 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

When The Lion in Winter was shown at Carnegie Hall several years back with live music, I don't think they used a Moog synthesizer in the Main Titles.

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