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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 9:13 AM   
 By:   WillGoldNewtonBarryGrusin   (Member)

DUNE is not for teenagers.

That’s why it will not bring in enough money.


Well, they cast Zendaya and Timothée Chalamet so they certainly aimed at that market.


Absolutely. But I doubt they have the power to draw in enough young audiences.

I'm afraid DUNE will have the JOHN CARTER problem: "Hey, they ripped off Star Wars! So lame!"

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 10:33 AM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

DUNE is not for teenagers.

That’s why it will not bring in enough money.


Well, they cast Zendaya and Timothée Chalamet so they certainly aimed at that market.


Absolutely. But I doubt they have the power to draw in enough young audiences.

I'm afraid DUNE will have the JOHN CARTER problem: "Hey, they ripped off Star Wars! So lame!"


The problem with John Carter is that I had no clue who the target audience is for that film. It is too cute for adults, a bit too adult for kids. It doesn't look intellectual, but it isn't all goofy either. And who the hell is John Carter?

I think with Dune, at least it has an established fanbase, and clearly they are trying to go for the Nolan crowd. But I do agree that it will be hard to get young people into the theater to see this.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 11:16 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

The problem with John Carter is that I had no clue who the target audience is for that film. It is too cute for adults, a bit too adult for kids. It doesn't look intellectual, but it isn't all goofy either. And who the hell is John Carter?

I think with Dune, at least it has an established fanbase, and clearly they are trying to go for the Nolan crowd. But I do agree that it will be hard to get young people into the theater to see this.


Agreed on all points.

John Carter had several more deficits: 1. Based on books that have been out of the public consciousness for a CENTURY. 2. Poor screenplay. 3. Stanton obviously more comfortable directing animated characters than living humans: Tars Tarkas was the only character to create any sense of feeling in the film, the leads were awful. 4. The Victorian climax where the heroine has to be saved from The Fate Worse Than Death: laughable in this day and age. Still, I liked Giacchino's score. Go figure.

DUNE has a better shot but it will be an uphill climb.

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 11:32 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

For what it's worth, THE DUNE SKETCHBOOK is streaming on Apple Music in Dolby Atmos for the full surround effect. The mix is very immersive. I quite like it.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 4:04 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Just came back from the film (in IMAX).

It's easily my favourite film of the year (so far). Denis Villeneuve is truly the new Ridley Scott in terms of both narrative depth and visual style. People weaned on Marvel and tapid blockbusters will no doubt find it dour and depressive, and call for the "fun" of it all, but I'm oh so thankful it doesn't have anything of that, and takes itself very seriously. Love the lower tempo, the dream segements, the vistas, the stagings. 2 1/2 hours flew by extremely quickly, and can't wait for part 2 (providing there will be a part 2).

Zimmer's score has some great parts. Absolutely love the GLADIATOR stylings for the fremen/the desert, all the music surrounding the prophecy and the use of vocals. That's the visionary Zimmer I had hoped for and expected. However, there are other parts -- mostly the action stuff with electric guitars and whatnot -- that becomes too much of a "loudness war". When the soundtrack comes out, I'm expecting to weed most of this stuff out (I have no doubt the soundtrack will be insanely long, as has been Zimmer's practice in recent years). There's a rhythmical, Tangerine Dream-like sequencer track that is very cool too; gets to shine in the middle part of the end credits. I see that Klaus Schulze has co-written a track with Zimmer, I wonder if that's it -- it's got the Berlin school nailed down, anyway.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 4:54 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

Anyone has received CD-R manufactured on demand release from Amazon ?
I'm looking for a real photos of this release...


Do we know for a fact that its a CD-R on demand type of thing?
I cant seem to find this anywhere in the descriptions on amazon....

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 6:00 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

Anyone has received CD-R manufactured on demand release from Amazon ?
I'm looking for a real photos of this release...


Do we know for a fact that its a CD-R on demand type of thing?
I cant seem to find this anywhere in the descriptions on amazon....


Amazon doesn't always indicate this. However at importcds.com it is there: Manufactured on Demand. But it was importcds where you could order the pressed CD version of WW84 a couple of months after the original CD-R release. Crazy times...

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 7:24 AM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Just came back from the film (in IMAX).

It's easily my favourite film of the year (so far). Denis Villeneuve is truly the new Ridley Scott in terms of both narrative depth and visual style. People weaned on Marvel and tapid blockbusters will no doubt find it dour and depressive, and call for the "fun" of it all, but I'm oh so thankful it doesn't have anything of that, and takes itself very seriously. Love the lower tempo, the dream segements, the vistas, the stagings. 2 1/2 hours flew by extremely quickly, and can't wait for part 2 (providing there will be a part 2).

Zimmer's score has some great parts. Absolutely love the GLADIATOR stylings for the fremen/the desert, all the music surrounding the prophecy and the use of vocals. That's the visionary Zimmer I had hoped for and expected. However, there are other parts -- mostly the action stuff with electric guitars and whatnot -- that becomes too much of a "loudness war". When the soundtrack comes out, I'm expecting to weed most of this stuff out (I have no doubt the soundtrack will be insanely long, as has been Zimmer's practice in recent years). There's a rhythmical, Tangerine Dream-like sequencer track that is very cool too; gets to shine in the middle part of the end credits. I see that Klaus Schulze has co-written a track with Zimmer, I wonder if that's it -- it's got the Berlin school nailed down, anyway.


Thanks for your comments! I'm hopeful this will be my reaction as well.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 7:54 AM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

DUNE is not for teenagers.

That’s why it will not bring in enough money.


Well, they cast Zendaya and Timothée Chalamet so they certainly aimed at that market.


Yes.
And Zimmer also.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 7:56 AM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

Anyone has received CD-R manufactured on demand release from Amazon ?
I'm looking for a real photos of this release...


Do we know for a fact that its a CD-R on demand type of thing?
I cant seem to find this anywhere in the descriptions on amazon....


Amazon doesn't always indicate this. However at importcds.com it is there: Manufactured on Demand. But it was importcds where you could order the pressed CD version of WW84 a couple of months after the original CD-R release. Crazy times...


Aha, lets just see what pops up in our mail boxes then. I ordered mine yesterday so wont be for while, lol!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 9:30 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

So I will be grateful for a real photos, after you’ll get your copy! Thanks!

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 1:23 PM   
 By:   acathla   (Member)

So I will be grateful for a real photos, after you’ll get your copy! Thanks!

I will sure post pics if no one else have by the time I get it wink

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 6:15 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

So, over the last few days I've listened to the Sketchbook album 2 full times in the car.
I ripped it from YouTube so I did not have the "benefit" of indices or track titles--neither of which would have made any difference anyway.
My opinion is not very positive, but not absolutely negative, either.

On the negative side...
There is not much actual music contained herein--it is more sound design than anything else, with some melodic content thrown in here and there.
The musicality that IS there is pretty unoriginal--it's all been done before.
There is practically nothing that could be called innovative.
After the opening salvo of ethnic voices (and whispering, for some reason) and synth pads, a very Philip Glass-lifted layering of rapidly repeated phrases comes next.
Around the 39:00 mark there is the sound of what could very possibly be a toilet being vigorously plunged--I am not kidding.
The sound repeats and becomes a percussive rhythm, which lays a foundation for some bagpipe-y stuff.
At approximately 45:00 the inevitable "Gladiator" lifts commence.
From then on it sort of alternates between very dramatic-sounding drums pounding away (to tell us what we should take seriously, I suppose), and more ethereal synthy stuff.
There are even parts that are quite reminiscent of Toto's music--in tone, if not actual melody.
10 minutes before the end there is some straight-up generic techno music, which leads into the last 5 minutes repeating what was heard in the first 5 minutes--namely, more faux-ethnic gutterals.

On the plus side...
Had this not been intended as a sketchbook for a movie score, I would have been all over this stuff--40 years ago, when it was then fairly "original" and "innovative".
(I still am all over this stuff, in fact, but by outfits that do it better.)
There is a lot of low-frequency action, which I am generally a big fan of.

All in all, a very patchwork effort, which I imagine Zimmer hopes will comes across as a unique melange (heh) of styles that will somehow mesh together into something cohesive and unifying.
It's not.
If the actual movie score doesn't rise to the occasion, I hope it at least doesn't ruin the film for me.

 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2021 - 5:44 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

Original score album - 1CD, 22 tracks, 74 minutes of music.



01 - Dream Of Arrakis (3:08)
02 - Herald Of The Change (5:01)
03 - Bene Gesserit (3:54)
04 - Gom Jabbar (2:00)
05 - The One (2:30)
06 - Leaving Caladan (1:55)
07 - Arrakeen (2:16)
08 - Ripples In The Sand (5:14)
09 - Visions Of Chani (4:27)
10 - Night On Arrakis (5:03)
11 - Armada (5:09)
12 - Burning Palms (4:04)
13 - Stranded (0:58)
14 - Blood For Blood (2:29)
15 - The Fall (2:32)
16 - Holy War (4:20)
17 - Sanctuary (1:50)
18 - Premonition (3:30)
19 - Ornithopter (1:54)
20 - Sandstorm (2:35)
21 - Stillsuits (5:31)
22 - My Road Leads Into The Desert (3:52)

Total time - 74:12

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 16, 2021 - 10:58 PM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

Original score album - 1CD, 22 tracks, 74 minutes of music.



01 - Dream Of Arrakis (3:08)
02 - Herald Of The Change (5:01)
03 - Bene Gesserit (3:54)
04 - Gom Jabbar (2:00)
05 - The One (2:30)
06 - Leaving Caladan (1:55)
07 - Arrakeen (2:16)
08 - Ripples In The Sand (5:14)
09 - Visions Of Chani (4:27)
10 - Night On Arrakis (5:03)
11 - Armada (5:09)
12 - Burning Palms (4:04)
13 - Stranded (0:58)
14 - Blood For Blood (2:29)
15 - The Fall (2:32)
16 - Holy War (4:20)
17 - Sanctuary (1:50)
18 - Premonition (3:30)
19 - Ornithopter (1:54)
20 - Sandstorm (2:35)
21 - Stillsuits (5:31)
22 - My Road Leads Into The Desert (3:52)

Total time - 74:12


Will there be a CD of the original score?

 
 Posted:   Sep 17, 2021 - 12:20 AM   
 By:   AdoKrycha007   (Member)

I don't know. "Sketches" album is available as a CD-R only, to date.

 
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