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 Posted:   Jan 26, 2022 - 6:31 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I kind of feel bad for him. He just seems like an older man who is just trying to make a living - I’d rather he be doing it than a snarky Gen-Zer. I can develop my own opinions.

I have to say, I just saw footage of Williams conducting the opening of the 1984 Olympics and while I thought it was a bit fast, it was still invigorating. He looked so young and almost nervous! I just appreciate everything Williams does, there’s always something to learn.



Thank you for this clip.That’s one solid memory for me watching Williams conducting live.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 12:44 AM   
 By:   Spymaster   (Member)

Jesus Christ. What an ass and what a daft "review".

This guy might know his stuff but is this seriously a review or just a guy reading track names on albums that clearly he hasn't listened to? I mean, all he is doing is criticizing the timings of pieces and has no additional arguments based on listening to support his claim that Williams isn't a charismatic conductor. BTW, picking on The Planets alone doesn't support the argument. Every conductor has their off days... every single one! And then after each album, he has to either undermine pops recordings or film music as a whole. Oh, and don't you just love it when he thinks he's singing "The Mission Theme" but sings "Meet The Press" instead? This clown hasn't listened to any of these recordings. How can you review a set and criticize a conductor WITHOUT listening? Yes, what an ass!

-Erik-


He is nuts but, to be fair to him, while the box set is new the recordings within it have been around for YEARS and it's perfectly feasible that he's very familiar with some/much of it. He's certainly speaking like he has heard a lot of these tracks - so he may have done. But definitely, definitely nuts!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 2:02 AM   
 By:   knisper.shayan   (Member)

Jesus Christ. What an ass and what a daft "review".

This guy might know his stuff but is this seriously a review or just a guy reading track names on albums that clearly he hasn't listened to? I mean, all he is doing is criticizing the timings of pieces and has no additional arguments based on listening to support his claim that Williams isn't a charismatic conductor. BTW, picking on The Planets alone doesn't support the argument. Every conductor has their off days... every single one! And then after each album, he has to either undermine pops recordings or film music as a whole. Oh, and don't you just love it when he thinks he's singing "The Mission Theme" but sings "Meet The Press" instead? This clown hasn't listened to any of these recordings. How can you review a set and criticize a conductor WITHOUT listening? Yes, what an ass!

-Erik-


He is nuts but, to be fair to him, while the box set is new the recordings within it have been around for YEARS and it's perfectly feasible that he's very familiar with some/much of it. He's certainly speaking like he has heard a lot of these tracks - so he may have done. But definitely, definitely nuts!


I find it unpleasant how someone is getting insulted here just because he expresses his personal opinion on something! i'm a musicologist and i absolutely share his opinion, john williams is a great composer but a rather mediocre/bad conductor and interpreter of other peoples music!

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 2:30 AM   
 By:   raphph80   (Member)

Thank you very much raphph. The only title missing is On Stage.

Apologies - this is raphph but for some reason my change of password has blocked me out

Here's a link with all the included scanned artwork
https://we.tl/t-cajHCPTQpj

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 5:54 AM   
 By:   JohnnyG   (Member)

Jesus Christ. What an ass and what a daft "review".

This guy might know his stuff but is this seriously a review or just a guy reading track names on albums that clearly he hasn't listened to? I mean, all he is doing is criticizing the timings of pieces and has no additional arguments based on listening to support his claim that Williams isn't a charismatic conductor. BTW, picking on The Planets alone doesn't support the argument. Every conductor has their off days... every single one! And then after each album, he has to either undermine pops recordings or film music as a whole. Oh, and don't you just love it when he thinks he's singing "The Mission Theme" but sings "Meet The Press" instead? This clown hasn't listened to any of these recordings. How can you review a set and criticize a conductor WITHOUT listening? Yes, what an ass!

-Erik-


He is nuts but, to be fair to him, while the box set is new the recordings within it have been around for YEARS and it's perfectly feasible that he's very familiar with some/much of it. He's certainly speaking like he has heard a lot of these tracks - so he may have done. But definitely, definitely nuts!


I find it unpleasant how someone is getting insulted here just because he expresses his personal opinion on something! i'm a musicologist and i absolutely share his opinion, john williams is a great composer but a rather mediocre/bad conductor and interpreter of other peoples music!



Some of you are trying hard to make me regret the decision to acquire this set, but no, I WILL NOT regret it! razz

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 6:20 AM   
 By:   Erik Woods   (Member)


I find it unpleasant how someone is getting insulted here just because he expresses his personal opinion on something! i'm a musicologist and i absolutely share his opinion, john williams is a great composer but a rather mediocre/bad conductor and interpreter of other peoples music!


big grin

No one said anything about being insulted. He can hate on John Williams for all I care, I'm just calling out this guy for producing a really, REALLY piss poor "review".

-Erik-

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 12:17 PM   
 By:   ghp1977   (Member)

Apologies - this is raphph but for some reason my change of password has blocked me out

Here's a link with all the included scanned artwork
https://we.tl/t-cajHCPTQpj

Again, thank you very much for your effort

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 2:00 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Some of you are trying hard to make me regret the decision to acquire this set, but no, I WILL NOT regret it! razz

Don't regret it!

I was thinking about this yesterday and how all of these are essentially selected programs of music that Williams felt best represented the theme of the program. If I was looking for "top marching music", I could do a search and get inundated and overwhelmed with numerous options for albums to listen to. But in this case, I highly respect John Williams and trust his creative ear for selecting songs to go together. So, in conjunction with his composing and arranging skills as well as his interpretations via conducting, these sets give me a wonderful selection of music that I can confidently enjoy, being assured that I'm getting value from it.

It's like, who do you want grilling you hamburgers for dinner - some random person out there in the world... or John Williams? I don't care if he actually is that great at grilling hamburgers - I'll take John Williams any day!

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 3:39 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I think I can enjoy the box without worrying whether each piece performed is the "best" version out there. I enjoy Hurwitz's reviews and even agree with him sometimes (he clearly has a favored set of five of six conductors he always finds "best") but where he and I part company here is that these are Pops concerts essentially, not decisive interpretations of challenging music. As such they are really enjoyable.

Also, there was a question earlier about whether these tracks have been remastered. As I go through the box and compare to original releases of the few of these discs I have I'm noticing that yes, the box set versions DO sound fuller and sharper across the board so yes, I would say they have benefitted from newer masterings. How much so can be debated by more experienced ears than mine.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I think I can enjoy the box without worrying whether each piece performed is the "best" version out there. I enjoy Hurwitz's reviews and even agree with him sometimes (he clearly has a favored set of five of six conductors he always finds "best") but where he and I part company here is that these are Pops concerts essentially, not decisive interpretations of challenging music. As such they are really enjoyable.

Also, there was a question earlier about whether these tracks have been remastered. As I go through the box and compare to original releases of the few of these discs I have I'm noticing that yes, the box set versions DO sound fuller and sharper across the board so yes, I would say they have benefitted from newer masterings. How much so can be debated by more experienced ears than mine.


Good to know some modern standard of mastering has been adhered to. The Bernard Herrmann set from Decca sounded incredibly good.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I think I can enjoy the box without worrying whether each piece performed is the "best" version out there. I enjoy Hurwitz's reviews and even agree with him sometimes (he clearly has a favored set of five of six conductors he always finds "best") but where he and I part company here is that these are Pops concerts essentially, not decisive interpretations of challenging music. As such they are really enjoyable.

Also, there was a question earlier about whether these tracks have been remastered. As I go through the box and compare to original releases of the few of these discs I have I'm noticing that yes, the box set versions DO sound fuller and sharper across the board so yes, I would say they have benefitted from newer masterings. How much so can be debated by more experienced ears than mine.


Good to know some modern standard of mastering has been adhered to. The Bernard Herrmann set from Decca sounded incredibly good.

 
 Posted:   Jan 27, 2022 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

I think I can enjoy the box without worrying whether each piece performed is the "best" version out there. I enjoy Hurwitz's reviews and even agree with him sometimes (he clearly has a favored set of five of six conductors he always finds "best") but where he and I part company here is that these are Pops concerts essentially, not decisive interpretations of challenging music. As such they are really enjoyable.

Also, there was a question earlier about whether these tracks have been remastered. As I go through the box and compare to original releases of the few of these discs I have I'm noticing that yes, the box set versions DO sound fuller and sharper across the board so yes, I would say they have benefitted from newer masterings. How much so can be debated by more experienced ears than mine.


Good to know some modern standard of mastering has been adhered to. The Bernard Herrmann set from Decca sounded incredibly good.

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2022 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

So, what exactly are you saying, Amer?

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2022 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   raphph80   (Member)

For what it's worth - I compared my single CD editions of
Aisle Music
and
Out Of The World

to those in this new 21CD box using a visual check of the wave files - and they were exactly the same..So I'd be surprised if any new masterings were used...

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2022 - 6:18 AM   
 By:   raphph80   (Member)

For what it's worth - I compared my single CD editions of
Aisle Music
and
Out Of The World

to those in this new 21CD box using a visual check of the wave files - and they were exactly the same..So I'd be surprised if any new masterings were used...

 
 Posted:   Jan 28, 2022 - 8:09 PM   
 By:   Amer Zahid   (Member)

So, what exactly are you saying, Amer?

I surmise that it's a very thin line, David. It's there but very thin.

 
 
 Posted:   Feb 22, 2022 - 1:03 AM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

Finishing listening to the Holst "Planets" disc and I'm not sure what the complaints about the conducting are. Williams generally conducts each piece a little bit faster than some other recordings, most notably with "Mars", but I actually found this quite refreshing as I think it tends to gets played over-dramatically and over-preciously by being too slow and plodding. Here it moves at a fast clip.

There are a few performance issues here and there from the BPO and "Neptune" seems to be missing some of its lower strings and percussion at parts, but overall nothing that I see reflects poorly on Williams.

Really enjoying this set, now along with John Williams Conductor for the complete BPO/Williams experience!

 
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