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 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


Hello Everybody,

I have launched my own personal website, www.lukaskendall.com, and to kick it off, I tell (to the best extent I can) the sad true story of the unpublished Jerry Goldsmith book.

Enjoy!

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 1:17 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Quickly -- somebody find a typo and complain about the font choice! ;-)

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 1:30 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

the sad true story of the unpublished Jerry Goldsmith book.

A fascinating story, but the character of "Lukas" comes off a bit unlikeable.

Seriously, thanks for your candor.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 2:14 PM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

Lukas, it's hard to reconcile your apology when you still refuse to relinquish or destroy all copies of the material. The only way, in my opinion--and it seems you did open this up for us, your longtime fans and supporters, to weigh in, good or bad--for you to move forward and adequately close the book, so to speak, is to agree to what Carrie has asked. You agreed to help, it seems with no expectation of remuneration, so including a lack of financial compensation in the list of reasons why you've kept the materials seems... inaccurate.

Having said all this, it's easy enough for me to be on the outside looking in and potentially judging. All the very best, and thanks for sharing. I hope closure can come from what is obviously difficult for everyone involved.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Lukas, it's hard to reconcile your apology when you still refuse to relinquish or destroy all copies of the material. The only way, in my opinion--and it seems you did open this up for us, your longtime fans and supporters, to weigh in, good or bad--for you to move forward and adequately close the book, so to speak, is to agree to what Carrie has asked. You agreed to help, it seems with no expectation of remuneration, so including a lack of financial compensation in the list of reasons why you've kept the materials seems... inaccurate.

I have to agree. You apologized multiple times but then come up with excuses why you can't just do what Carol and her attorney have asked. I left my comments on the site itself because you left it open for feedback, but since it's being discussed here.... You're in the wrong and you won't even come close to righting these wrongs as long as you hold onto the material for "reasons." Sending Carol an angry email in response to hers was, frankly, inexcusable. At least with the information you provided.

Sorry, Lukas. It's not your material to protect. Let it go. Do right by the Goldsmith family.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 2:30 PM   
 By:   DavidCoscina   (Member)

I think it takes a very mature person to own their mistakes. The published part of Carrie's book is indeed a fascinating read. I hope at some point she can work with an editor to make it publishable and acceptable to all concerned parties.

Thank you for publishing your account of the events surrounding the Goldsmith bio (or memoirs as it might more appropriately be).

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 2:43 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Lukas, it's hard to reconcile your apology when you still refuse to relinquish or destroy all copies of the material. The only way, in my opinion--and it seems you did open this up for us, your longtime fans and supporters, to weigh in, good or bad--for you to move forward and adequately close the book, so to speak, is to agree to what Carrie has asked. You agreed to help, it seems with no expectation of remuneration, so including a lack of financial compensation in the list of reasons why you've kept the materials seems... inaccurate.

I have to agree. You apologized multiple times but then come up with excuses why you can't just do what Carol and her attorney have asked. I left my comments on the site itself because you left it open for feedback, but since it's being discussed here.... You're in the wrong and you won't even come close to righting these wrongs as long as you hold onto the material for "reasons." Sending Carol an angry email in response to hers was, frankly, inexcusable. At least with the information you provided.

Sorry, Lukas. It's not your material to protect. Let it go. Do right by the Goldsmith family.


I have chosen not to destroy the material—it would be easy to just lie and say I did—and I'm prepared for the criticism. Thanks for your comments.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 2:44 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

Lukas,

I don't mean to alarm you, but Carrie owns the copyright of her manuscript. In the United States copyright ownership is automatic. The author need not formally apply for it. To protect yourself, you should seriously consider returning all of her materials (by courier) and obtain a signed receipt that she received it. California may have further IP rules, which would not be surprising since the American film industry largely resides there. Calling an attorney there for advice would be prudent.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

Lukas,

I don't mean to alarm you, but Carrie owns the copyright of her manuscript. In the United States copyright ownership is automatic. The author need not formally apply for it. To protect yourself, you should seriously consider returning all of her materials (by courier) and obtain a signed receipt that she received it. California may have further IP rules, which would not be surprising since the American film industry largely resides there. Calling an attorney there for advice would be prudent.


I am not alarmed. I make no claim to the material whatsoever (which was all digital, anyway, except for one printed out copy of the manuscript). It was shared with me for professional use, and we didn't discuss what might happen if the project was canceled. I said I wouldn't destroy it, but pledged not to circulate or make use of it whatsoever (I have not and will not). And I'm not going to destroy it now, although obviously I could easily lie and pretend to do so.

I tried my best to facilitate that project, all on spec, and I ended up getting yelled at, hung up upon, and threatened by two different lawyers.

Appreciate everybody's opinion, and I accept the criticism.

Lukas

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   slint   (Member)


Sorry, Lukas. It's not your material to protect. Let it go. Do right by the Goldsmith family.


I don't agree at all. I don't think any historian would destroy their source material. For example I have myself access to some audio tapes that composers don't want publicly out or in some cases have even mentioned that all copies were destroyed (probably to lower fan expectations). I respect that and I'm not going to share, but I am not going to destroy my own source material for any reason. There are many examples in classical music and literature history where composers and writers wanted all their manuscripts destroyed but fortunately they were saved, and of course 150 years later it would seem foolish to destroy any of that. That said I don't know at all about the Goldsmith family (apart from this blog spot), so from my perspective I'd have absolutely no reason to accept any request from them. It may be different for the author of this blog post.

 
 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

Deleted by author as peacemaking gesture.

 
 Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:14 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

I'm not going to pick a side, but left me just pose some thoughts, on Lukas being in the wrong:

  • It may not be worth the time and money to go to court over this.

  • The film score community is a small niche community and perhaps it's not in the best interest of the estate to financially ruin or at least harm, a man who did so much for the film score community and continues to to this day.

  • Would the estate want to take action that might hinder or stop Lukas from continuing his work on soundtracks?



    Not everything is so cut-and-dry legally. Because you can sue, doesn't mean you should. Because you can sue, doesn't mean you want to. Because you can sue doesn't even mean a case has merit and can get tossed out in pretrial. Because of it being so complex, you end up with things like threatening legal letters, settling out of court (even if you are not in the wrong), have phrases like "Go pound sand" and "See you in court", etc.

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     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:16 PM   
     By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


    Nobody is going to sue me. They would sue me if I did something untoward with the material (which I won't).

    They can't sue me for having it, because they gave it to me, and there was no agreement that I would destroy it upon request.

    They'd have to wait until I, for example, published it online, and THEN they'd have a case.

    But what would the case even be now? I promised not to circulate anything, and I haven't, and won't.

    Lukas

     
     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:22 PM   
     By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

    Deleted by author as peacemaking gesture.

     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:23 PM   
     By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)

    So why did you deliver this confession in the first place actually?

    Now everybody knows back again that you have the material although most of us ignored it or forgot it...a true renaissance of the whole thing.

    Why to make this story resurrect from the grave where it was buried?

    Why now, too?


    Because it was something I was thinking about, and wanted to share with the peeps so they'd know. And honestly, I don't care what any of the Goldsmiths think.

    Lukas

     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:23 PM   
     By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

    I can understand how tough it can be to abandon all traces of this sought-after manuscript now you have read it entirely and know all the treasured film music industry trivia informations and personal statements by our beloved maestro and other professionals it handles but since it obviously also features a lot of private stories or issues, I think you now owe to Carrie to send her back once for good his manuscript or its digital backup....as promised in the first place.

    Did I miss the part where he promised to return the manuscript? Maybe Lukas is leaving that part out, but from what he wrote I don't see that as a stipulation of having received it in the first place. He did break the promise not to share it with anyone (once), and he was absolutely wrong to do that. But as far as I can tell he did not promise to return the manuscript and not keep a copy for himself after reading it. Just because later on he was asked to return it and refused does not mean the same thing.

    You also owe respect to Carol, as she doesn't want either to get it published.

    But he's not publishing it. He's simply refusing to destroy it, which is not the same thing. I'm not saying Lukas comes off great here, and he absolutely made some bad mistakes. But unless he promised to return it and not keep a copy, he's not breaking a promise by holding onto it. (Right? Did I miss something?)

    Yavar

     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:24 PM   
     By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


    I should add that the materials are all digital computer files.

    I could easily just lie and say I junked them, and keep them. But I won't do that.

    Lukas

     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:36 PM   
     By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


    I don't agree at all. I don't think any historian would destroy their source material.


    Except that wasn't his role. He offered to help publish it. He read it and offered edits. He didn't write or research it. Lukas wasn't acting as historian. I'm sure Carrie kept her own work, especially if it's a chronicle of her last months with her father. I would never destroy something to personally important to me about my own dad. It wouldn't be lost to the ages any more than any fan destroying their copy of a recording would be if someone else had the masters. Lukas has, in effect, a bootleg copy of someone else's unreleased work, a copy that the creator asked be returned or destroyed.

    Everyone has their own standards of right and wrong, fair and unfair. I applaud the confession even if I don't agree with the decision.

    It did drive me to the site, though, and I finally got to watch Sky Fighter. That was really quite good and very polished.

     
     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:38 PM   
     By:   Moonlight   (Member)

    I wonder if Goldsmith said something bad about John Williams?

     
     
     Posted:   Aug 30, 2021 - 3:38 PM   
     By:   Thierry Schreurs   (Member)

    Deleted by author as peacemaking gesture.

     
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