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 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 1:19 PM   
 By:   Ruggles   (Member)

Recently I was listening to Intrada's DIAL "M" FOR MURDER and have to say a big thank you to all involved for putting out such a great new recording. As a fan of Hitchcock I'm truly appreciative for any new releases of scores that accompany his movies, whether they be original recordings or re-recordings.

There were so many great composers who worked alongside Hitchcock... Bernard Herrmann, Maurice Jarre, Miklos Rozsa, Dimitri Tiomkin, Franz Waxman, John Williams, etc.

This got me thinking, are there scores for Hitch's movies where the elements are known to have survived and are in decent shape, but where there hasn't been an official release yet?

By contrast, are there scores for Hitchcock's films that (for now) are confirmed as lost or destroyed and where re-recordings are the only option we have?

Specifically, I've often wondered about titles such as SHADOW OF A DOUBT (1943) and I CONFESS (1953) by Dimitri Tiomkin, as well as THE PARADINE CASE (1947) by Franz Waxman.

Thanks for your time,
LB

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 2:12 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I've wondered about REAR WINDOW (Waxman). But there isn't much original score other than the main title and a few bridges. Most of the score is source music. What I remember is Bernstein's "Fancy Free" for the sequence when the ballerina across the courtyard is doing her stretching exercises. There's a song on the radio that is based on Waxman's theme from ELEPHANT WALK. And Waxman wrote a song called "Lisa" which the songwriter character struggles to complete until the last scene. This film is about the same vintage as TO CATCH A THIEF, so it's reasonable to think Paramount may still have the elements.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 2:18 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

I don’t recall hearing any of Bernstein’s Fancy Free in Rear Window, but there is a moment in the score where Waxman directly quotes his own “A Place in the Sun” (namely the Farewell and Frenzy cue).

Edit: In answer to your question, we know via Robert Harris that tapes for a decent amount of The Man Who Knew Too Much survive, but have yet to be released.

https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143612&forumID=1&archive=0

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 2:23 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I think there are decent elements for "Rebecca", but no official release thus far. The Warner Tiomkins exist only as m&e (if at all). "Rear Window" should be there, but I'm not sure how much of "The Trouble With Harry" and "The Man Who Knew Too Much" is still extant. Most of the other 1950s to 1970s material has been covered pretty well during the last twenty years. I guess the material for the later movies should exist at Universal, but it's not that easy to get it cleared.

I don't have much hope for any of the other 1930s/1940s material - except for Frank Skinner's "Saboteur" (which also could be done).

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:00 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I love Saboteur… you actually know that tapes survive, for that?

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:03 PM   
 By:   Ray Faiola   (Member)

There are acetates for SABOTEUR at the Skinner Collection.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:05 PM   
 By:   Ruggles   (Member)

On Soundtrack Collector there's a release for REBECCA by "Marco Polo 8.233399". Is this a legit release? If so, is it a re-recording?

I seem to recall reading somewhere on this board that Intrada might be working on PSYCHO (1998). I've never seen the remake, but hear the music is quite faithful to the original.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:07 PM   
 By:   Ruggles   (Member)

I love Saboteur… you actually know that tapes survive, for that?

Yavar


I love the film too. My wife and I watched it recently and I'd be very happy to see the score released.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:19 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I love Saboteur… you actually know that tapes survive, for that?

Yavar


Yavar, you should have read this thread:
https://www.filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=143723&forumID=1&archive=0

The University of Illinois has four acetate discs of SABOTEUR in their Skinner collection and each side of the acetates contains about 4-5 minutes of music. So altogether there are about 35 minutes of Skinner´s score on these discs - there are even a few tracks which were not used in the film. Sound quality is quite ok considering the age of the acetates
A few months ago I have identified these SABOTEUR acetate tracks for the University people who were totally happy about this (they are no soundtrack experts at all and therefore didn´t know how to identify anything on these discs) - some of their acetate boxes were wrongly titled SABOTEUR, but in fact contained music from other Skinner scores (even four discs with THE RAGING TIDE, one disc each with THE WORLD IN HIS ARMS, BLACK BART, FRANCIS GOES TO THE RACES...) - and I have of course also made a detailed track listing in comparison with the film itself.
These are my track titles for the music on the four acetates of SABOTEUR which are available at the University:

Disc 10 – Side A: Police Car/Escape from the Police/Taking Refuge at Mr. Martin´s House
Disc 10 – Side B: Mr. Martin and Patricia/Barry and Patricia Leave Mr. Martin´s House/Barry and Patricia in the Car
Disc 11 – Side A: Barry Tries to Break His Handcuffs with the Car Engine/Countryside at Night
Disc 11 – Side B: The Circus Train/Love Scene Part I
Disc 12 – Side A: Love Scene Part II/Farewell to the Circus Troupe [3:00 – 4:08 not in film]
Disc 12 – Side B: The Barrage/Fry Escapes/Patricia Follows Fry [1:55 – 3:00 not in film]
Disc 13 – Side A: Patricia Calls the FBI/Inside the Statue of Liberty/Fry and Patricia I [1:10 – 4:25 not in film]
Disc 13 – Side B: Fry and Patricia II/Barry and the FBI Arrive/Finale/ Exit Music (?) [0:00 – 0:46 and 2:18 – 4:05 not in film]

The music from Reel 1 (about the first 20 minutes of the film) is missing on the acetates so the Main Title is not there, but for an official release it could of course be taken quite easily from the film itself. However, most of the important tracks of the score are indeed on the discs as there isn´t that much music during the first 20 minutes of the movie after the Main Title.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:26 PM   
 By:   TacktheCobbler   (Member)

On Soundtrack Collector there's a release for REBECCA by "Marco Polo 8.233399". Is this a legit release? If so, is it a re-recording?

I seem to recall reading somewhere on this board that Intrada might be working on PSYCHO (1998). I've never seen the remake, but hear the music is quite faithful to the original.


The Marco Polo Rebecca is a legitimate release of a re-recording of the score by Adrianno (the label also released many of William Stromberg’s pre-TFC recordings). However, I’ve heard that the recording is not very good and that the McNeely recording (which is the one I have) is far superior.

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:38 PM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

I don't have much hope for any of the other 1930s/1940s material - except for Frank Skinner's "Saboteur" (which also could be done).

Also Franz Waxman´s almost complete THE PARADINE CASE (without sound effects) exists. At least I myself have about 40 minutes of the original music tracks in quite good sound quality.smile

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 3:48 PM   
 By:   eriknelson   (Member)

I don’t recall hearing any of Bernstein’s Fancy Free in Rear Window

I found a webpage that discusses the REAR WINDOW score, along with some recordings. Some of the material sounds like it came from acetates. Apparently Hitchcock and Waxman used 39 songs in the score.

https://irom.wordpress.com/2017/01/17/lisa-and-the-music-in-hitchcocks-rear-window/

 
 
 Posted:   Sep 12, 2021 - 5:16 PM   
 By:   Ruggles   (Member)

The Marco Polo Rebecca is a legitimate release of a re-recording of the score by Adrianno (the label also released many of William Stromberg’s pre-TFC recordings). However, I’ve heard that the recording is not very good and that the McNeely recording (which is the one I have) is far superior.

Thanks for clarifying. I have listened to the McNeely recording of REBECCA and do enjoy it.

 
 Posted:   Sep 13, 2021 - 9:18 PM   
 By:   Stefan Huber   (Member)

I don't have much hope for any of the other 1930s/1940s material - except for Frank Skinner's "Saboteur" (which also could be done).

Also Franz Waxman´s almost complete THE PARADINE CASE (without sound effects) exists. At least I myself have about 40 minutes of the original music tracks in quite good sound quality.smile


Many thanks. Now that you mention it, I remember that I've heard about it smile

I hope to find the time to post a more comprehensive listing here. My primary source for this kind of information was the German 1998/99 re-print of the first Donald Spoto book. If you compare this listing with what is/was available during the last twenty years, you can see, that indeed a lot has happened.

 
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