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 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 3:57 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

Looks like some of us are just TOO OLD for this FSM Board. Statistics don’t lie, and here is the proof.

In the last three days, we have had two topics about one of the most ICONIC, gorgeous, heart-rendering scores ever composed. That score is TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD by Elmer Bernstein. I think any member who thinks he or she is knowledgeable about film scores should “eventually” be cognizant of this score. (I say “eventually” for those who are really young and may actually someday journey back in time to hear renowned, celebrated scores.)

One TKM thread had 2, 027 views and one had 2,942 views. Sigh.

Now compare those numbers with two Zimmer threads in the last few days.

Dune topic had 21, 638 views.

No Time To Die had 266,110 views. I can’t believe it had that many views. (Maybe people just enjoyed the blood-letting on that topic.)

So, is it time for we old codgers (and you know who you are), to saddle up our walkers and wheelchairs and ride off into the sunset?

(Not me. I’m going to stick around to discover undiscovered past, present and future scores and to try to stamp out film score illiteracy, or I could keep hitting “view” on a topic 100,000 times.wink)



 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 4:03 PM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Well, I have heard sales of whipper-snapper canes have gone up, as well as the sales of "Stay Off the Grass" signs admonishing the yutes.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 4:04 PM   
 By:   Advise & Consent   (Member)

Looks like some of us are just TOO OLD for this FSM Board. Statistics don’t lie, and here is the proof.

In the last three days, we have had two topics about one of the most ICONIC, gorgeous, heart-rendering scores ever composed. That score is TO KILL A MOCKINGBIRD by Elmer Bernstein. I think any member who thinks he or she is knowledgeable about film scores should “eventually” be cognizant of this score. (I say “eventually” for those who are really young and may actually someday journey back in time to hear renowned, celebrated scores.)

One TKM thread had 2, 027 views and one had 2,942 views. Sigh.

Now compare those numbers with two Zimmer threads in the last few days.

Dune topic had 21, 638 views.

No Time To Die had 266,110 views. I can’t believe it had that many views. (Maybe people just enjoyed the blood-letting on that topic.)

So, is it time for we old codgers (and you know who you are), to saddle up our walkers and wheelchairs and ride off into the sunset?

(Not me. I’m going to stick around to discover undiscovered past, present and future scores and to try to stamp out film score illiteracy, or I could keep hitting “view” on a topic 100,000 times.wink)


I wouldn't fret about it Joan. I was listening to "An Unvarnished Conversation with Bernard Herrmann" and Mr. Herrmann was talking about "the keepers of the flame" at one point. I take solace in those words because at one point Herrmann was nearly forgotten and eventually he came back roaring and he's still roaring to this day (and then some) as did orchestral scores eventually.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 4:06 PM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Joan, I'm 58 and just traded two CDs for the TKAM Intrada release because you have spoken so highly of it so often. I haven't seen the film since I was a teen. Be proud of yourself that you've helped me grow out of my usual comfort zone of action and sci-fi scores. I'm sure Intrada appreciates you netting them a sale as well. smile

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 4:08 PM   
 By:   Mose Harper   (Member)

Two brand new, high profile, highly anticipated films vs a solo disc extraction from a perviously available (and sold out) multi disc set.

I don't think it's age so much as most people here probably already own the scores and have talked them up plenty in the past already.

OTOH, the two new films have passionate detractors of the composer and his work, and nothing animates a body to express itself like hatred.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 5:13 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)



OTOH, the two new films have passionate detractors of the composer and his work, and nothing animates a body to express itself like hatred.


Exactly this. Go into the Zimmer threads and I would wager that half, if not more to be really honest, of the messages are being posted by people who do not even like his music and are not fans. So his threads get a big boost from the members of this community who view him in a negative light.

In the end, don't let it really get to you and just enjoy the beautiful score and hope future generations continue to appreciate it. I actually love Bernstein's TKAMB score and I enjoy a lot of Zimmer! So fans can like both still. Of course a new or upcoming score for a big movie is going to get more attention though, that's just how everything in the world works.

BTW, not sure what age would be considered old or young on the FSM boards, but I am 42-years-old.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 5:36 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

Joan, I don't know if it's age per se. I think this board simply obsesses over franchises. If we had gotten 5 more MOCKINGBIRD sequels (each with a higher body count) I think we'd have more responses on the board.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:11 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I’ve enjoyed the insightful responses.

Adam, I’m touched. You made my day. I do love action and Sci Fi scores, but I also enjoy heart-felt scores. Hope you get to view the movie again one day. The music really dovetails with the visuals.

I don't think it's age so much as most people here probably already own the scores and have talked them up plenty in the past already.

Mose, that may be true, and it makes sense. However, I so remember long discussions on this board as far back as 2001 about TKM, and I don’t remember such a high number of views. We were a smaller group then.

OTOH, the two new films have passionate detractors of the composer and his work, and nothing animates a body to express itself like hatred.

Yep, so true. Sadly hate is like a bright light to moths.

I was listening to "An Unvarnished Conversation with Bernard Herrmann" and Mr. Herrmann was talking about "the keepers of the flame" at one point. I take solace in those words

Yes, A & C, I too take solace in maybe being one of the “keepers” of the flame. Thanks.

Sorry Justin, I don’t own one of those canes…yet.

Darthbrett, I certainly agree that members can like Bernstein’s TKM and Zimmer. (And you are young.) Youngers just have to be willing to journey back into older scores while enjoying current ones.

EdG, would have loved more TKM sequels, but the movie pretty well captured the majority of the book. A single score won’t attract as much attention as a franchise. (Bond, Star Wars, Star Trek, etc.)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:16 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

The younger members on this board obsess over action movies,sci-fi and horror movies, comic book character movies and TV shows. I doubt very much whether a large percentage of them ever watch Turner Classic Movies. In short ,they know zilch about movies that were made before they were born.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:35 PM   
 By:   connorb93   (Member)

The younger members on this board obsess over action movies,sci-fi and horror movies, comic book character movies and TV shows. I doubt very much whether a large percentage of them ever watch Turner Classic Movies. In short ,they know zilch about movies that were made before they were born.

spoken like a true fossil. Yeah, with literally everything being available to watch, young people have NO access to old movies. Not to mention a lack of interest in sitting in front of a screen. Younger people may not be gathering to watch and discuss the films of Otto Preminger, but there are plenty of them discovering all kinds of things as they grow. I should know, that was me as a teen. Always watching something, spending free time on imdb and watching bts on movies I hadn't even watched just to understand how movies actually work.

How do you think people find out they enjoy film music enough to actually listen to it, research them, buy the albums, and post on here? Beyond that, you really think a small sample on a message board says anything about a greater population?

You've at least aged well enough to adapt to the internet to got on the internet today, shake your fist and yell at the sky. Give young people the same benefit of the doubt, there is A SHIT TON of media to consume. I actually felt a similar way to classic movies when I took a film class in college. "Tsk, nobody in this class will at all understand or appreciate Hitchcock!" and guess what? I was wrong!



 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:39 PM   
 By:   darthbrett   (Member)

The younger members on this board obsess over action movies,sci-fi and horror movies, comic book character movies and TV shows. I doubt very much whether a large percentage of them ever watch Turner Classic Movies. In short ,they know zilch about movies that were made before they were born.

Perhaps I am in the minority, but I tend to like older films before I was born most of the time. I certainly enjoy current films too if they are enjoyable and decent. There's a tv network called 'Movies!' that I love to watch because they play a lot of older, more obscure films sometimes (their Noir nights are awesome!). I also love watching TCM.

But I agree with you, that's not the norm and like you say most younger fans (what age would that be?) aren't usually open to watching older films before their time.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:42 PM   
 By:   Octoberdog   (Member)

Well said, ConnorB93.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:51 PM   
 By:   villagardens553   (Member)

I'm an Eisenhower baby and grew up really getting into the composers who seem to come alive in the 60s--Barry, Goldsmith, Schifrin, Quincy Jones, and so on. In the 70s I started digging into the past, but . . .

. . . back in 1967 I saw a movie that changed my life. I was thirteen and asked my mom if she would drive a friend and me to the theater to see The War Wagon with John Wayne. My dad, not even looking up from his newspaper, said, "You should stay for the second feature if you go." That film was To Kill a Mockingbird, and that film--the first adult movie I saw--changed my life, as did the music. I was immediately hooked and read the book within a week. The soundtrack, though, was out of print, and I never got a recording of the score until Elmer Bernstein re-recorded it for his film music collection series some years later.

Today, some 40-odd years later, push come to shove, TKAM is probably my favorite score. And though I treasure the book, I actually think that the film is a better film than the book is a book--but that's another topic for a different thread on a different site.

I watch TKAM every October. It will always be a fall film for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 6:59 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

Zimmer has been composing for over three decades now, and he himself is halfway through his 60s. There’s no reason to equate his music with a younger generation per se, as he is continually scoring across all genres. It’s correlation at best, not causation.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 7:03 PM   
 By:   cody1949   (Member)

I'm an Eisenhower baby and grew up really getting into the composers who seem to come alive in the 60s--Barry, Goldsmith, Schifrin, Quincy Jones, and so on. In the 70s I started digging into the past, but . . .

. . . back in 1967 I saw a movie that changed my life. I was thirteen and asked my mom if she would drive a friend and me to the theater to see The War Wagon with John Wayne. My dad, not even looking up from his newspaper, said, "You should stay for the second feature if you go." That film was To Kill a Mockingbird, and that film--the first adult movie I saw--changed my life, as did the music. I was immediately hooked and read the book within a week. The soundtrack, though, was out of print, and I never got a recording of the score until Elmer Bernstein re-recorded it for his film music collection series some years later.

Today, some 40-odd years later, push come to shove, TKAM is probably my favorite score. And though I treasure the book, I actually think that the film is a better film than the book is a book--but that's another topic for a different thread on a different site.

I watch TKAM every October. It will always be a fall film for me.


Glad to see you are an exception to my original post and I have no doubt there are more like you ,but you and those others are still in the minority. I keep thinking about how La La Land took a financial beating on their release of Dimitri Tiomkin's GIANT. That to me is sad.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 7:56 PM   
 By:   joan hue   (Member)

I watch TKAM every October. It will always be a fall film for me. Nice Villagarden. I also try to watch it once a year.

When young, I didn't care for older films and left the family room when I thought my parents were watching some relic.
I loved the Silver Age scores, but eventually I would hear some gorgeous music coming from a movie my parents watched and checked out that movie or movies. Then I started to appreciate Golden Age scores. cody1949, others here at FSM have done the same. It takes some time. But sadly, some may never see movies made before their births. It will be their loss.

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 8:58 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

To Kill a Mockingbird is a wonderful, beloved score. Long live Bernstein. Elmer Bernstein was 40 years old when he composed TKaMB. Hans Zimmer is 64 this year, the year both Dune and No Time to Die release. Age ain't nothing but a number. You are never too old to enjoy what you really appreciate in life.

Cheers Joan!

 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 9:03 PM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

Zimmer has been composing for over three decades now, and he himself is halfway through his 60s. There’s no reason to equate his music with a younger generation per se, as he is continually scoring across all genres. It’s correlation at best, not causation.

I'll do you one better! Zimmer's first film credit with his mentor, Stanley Myers, was for 1984's Success is the Best Revenge. That's FOUR great decades of hard work.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 9:26 PM   
 By:   haineshisway   (Member)

I'll just add that whenever I read someone has gone out of their "comfort zone" I have to chuckle. How else do you learn? How else do you discover? How else do you expand your world, whatever the particular art form? Comfort zones preclude all of that. You end up listening or watching or whatever only the things that fit within that narrow zone. I'm blessed, I suppose, and was at a very early age, and I mean like four or five, of being endlessly inquisitive about everything. As I grew up and others of my age were only liking the things that were then current, I was always looking at older stuff or genres I didn't know or music I'd never heard. I was also lucky enough to have some people who took a liking to me - a disc jockey at a local LA jazz station on La Brea, if I remember correctly, opened the jazz world to me - I'd heard Take Five on the station and called and got the DJ on the phone. And then the employees of Chesterfield Records in Beverly Hills taught be to be open to new things and to be adventurous and played me any number of things, which I'd then buy. No, I didn't love everything, but I did love hearing stuff I didn't know, and some stuff simply opened my eyes to completely new worlds that I did love.

And that has never left me. At my age, I still learn every day, I still watch stuff that I'd somehow missed, even if I don't end up loving it, it's at least interesting. I still find music, still take chances - when you stop learning, you atrophy. I've never much responded to the really old boys of classical music - you know, Mozart and Beethoven - I was very much a 20th century classical lover, at least the glory years from the turn of the century through the 1960s. But during the pandemic I began listening to more of the older stuff and some of it I really began to appreciate. Same with opera and ballet. I think I've attended exactly one ballet in my life - a Jerome Robbins evening, which was fantastic. Again, during the pandemic, I began watching streaming ballets, then began purchasing DVDs and Blu-rays and what joy to discover some pretty amazing dance AND music.

My point is, never close yourself off, never put blinders on art. If you're a kid, learn from what came before - be open to it, not closed to it and you'll end up discovering so much that you'll love. I has spoken.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 6, 2021 - 9:29 PM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I'll do you one better! Zimmer's first film credit with his mentor, Stanley Myers, was for 1984's Success is the Best Revenge. That's FOUR great decades of hard work.


Oof, I stand corrected! And now feel super old LOL

 
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