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 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 2:15 PM   
 By:   Night   (Member)

As a Elliot Goldenthal fan I love this even if I personally never considered Goldenthal's Batman scores to be among his best work:

Hans Zimmer has revealed his favorite ever Batman score, referring to the musical score as "the most glorious statement of Batman" he's ever heard – and it's Elliot Goldenthal's work on Batman Forever and Batman & Robin.

Zimmer considered what makes a great Batman score by thinking about the distinct sounds of each composition before declaring Elliot Goldenthal's work as "the greatest Batman score of them all." Zimmer said he was invited to Poland to take to the concert stage to play Inception, where Goldenthal presented his superhero suite.

"It was the happiest moment of my life how his art, and craftsmanship, and sheer audacity of writing, and imagination, completely wiped the floor with my little Inception piece. And his thing was just the most glorious statement of Batman I'd ever heard," Zimmer said of Goldenthal's music. "It was just amazing. It was amazing and everybody knew it."

https://nordic.ign.com/batman-forever-theater/50526/news/hans-zimmers-favorite-batman-score-is-not-the-one-youd-expect

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 2:26 PM   
 By:   Totoro   (Member)

At least the man have good taste.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 3:44 PM   
 By:   Octoberman   (Member)

So, which is the score we'd expect to be his favorite?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 3:54 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

Lego Batman - Lorne Balfe

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 4:20 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

I always did love Goldenthal's Batman theme, and was surprised when I found the film music internet communities, that no one talks about that theme. Everyone talks about Elfman's theme, which is great as well.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 4:55 PM   
 By:   lonzoe1   (Member)

He didn't wait to hear Giacchino's score before he revealed his favorite Batman score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 5:05 PM   
 By:   Tango Urilla   (Member)

He didn't wait to hear Giacchino's score before he revealed his favorite Batman score.

That may have perhaps been to preempt the uncomfortable questions about how he thinks Giacchino's Batman theme compares to his and which is best.

I'm glad Zimmer gave Goldenthal some praise. I do prefer Elfman's Batman scores personally, but Goldenthal's were tremendous achievements as well. We're talking about the upper echelon of superhero scoring with respect to all four of those scores. (And Zimmer's and James Newton Howard's were full of fantastic material themselves.)

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 6:02 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I feel like Elfman and Zimmer have a rivalry that would make it difficult for Zimmer to mention Elfman...

That said, I do think Goldenthal's Batman theme in BATMAN FOREVER is more effective and catchy because it's shorter and faster than Elfman's theme. That gives the added benefit of being able to strike up the Goldenthal theme very quickly, so it feels much more energetic. Also, that score is a very brash and attention-grabbing display of wacky horn techniques that I'm sure would be absolutely wild fun for the musicians to perform.

I'm so sad I missed out on getting it!

 
 Posted:   Oct 14, 2021 - 11:54 PM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I think my favourite is still Elfman's original Batman.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 12:02 AM   
 By:   Drawgoon   (Member)

Too bad we live in times when things like Neal Hefti's theme for 1966 series no longer appeal to the masses. Everything needs to be dark, gloomy, and serious to be cool these days, huh...

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 1:02 AM   
 By:   ROBERT Z   (Member)

Batman Forever is really a crazy and virtuoso soundtrack , I have rarely heard such a powerful and thematically rich film music, i understand that Mister Zimmer was impressed by this score.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 1:18 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

My favorite BATMAN score is actually THE DARK KNIGHT. I love Danny Elfman's and Elliot Goldenthal's BATMAN scores, but as far as "Batman" is concerned, musically, THE DARK KNIGHT nailed the character the most for me.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 6:51 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Awww, I was hoping he was gonna pick Nelson Riddle's 1966 Batman movie score.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 7:52 AM   
 By:   KeV McG   (Member)

By: Octoberdog (Member)
"So, which is the score we'd expect to be his favorite?"

By: Tango Urilla (Member)
"Lego Batman - Lorne Balfe"
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big grin big grin big grin

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 8:18 AM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

Too bad we live in times when things like Neal Hefti's theme for 1966 series no longer appeal to the masses. Everything needs to be dark, gloomy, and serious to be cool these days, huh...

Goldenthal's Batman scores are the perfect mix of serious and just plain fun.

 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 9:32 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

Nelson Riddle's "Batman" score is pretty much in the same vein. It walks the line between serious and comedic with lots of catchy jazz riffs and great and memorable themes.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 10:36 AM   
 By:   bondo321   (Member)

I love how the article is basically “a guy thinks a thing.”

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 10:53 AM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Absolutely love Elfman's take on the character and his world. It has exactly the right amount of darkness and razzmatazz.

Goldenthal's is great too, though I do feel someone somewhere should take charge and say there's a theme or signature, as with the Bond films and Harry Potter that SOMETHING of the original stays. It gives that slight feel of familiarity that is reassuring to an audience. And I'll be the first in line for Batman and Robin if it ever sees the light of day. But the Schumaker based films are so way more over the top than I'd prefer.

I only have the first Zimmer thing and have never heard it all the way through. Found it a bit dull to be honest. One day...

But Hefti and Riddle? Well, now we're talking. One day when adults everywhere realise that superheroes (especially in tights) are the silliest end of the sf/fantasy genre, they will appreciate the Adam West show for what it is. Exactly the right take for something so f*****g childish it's unreal. That show may well have been the closest the US got to the British panto. So what? Good! A show that kids get on their level and adults get on theirs. Perfect.

Just sayin'.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 12:46 PM   
 By:   Mephariel   (Member)

My favorite BATMAN score is actually THE DARK KNIGHT. I love Danny Elfman's and Elliot Goldenthal's BATMAN scores, but as far as "Batman" is concerned, musically, THE DARK KNIGHT nailed the character the most for me.

Agree and disagree. The Dark Knight is my favorite Batman score, but I think all the composers nailed their respective version of Batman. I honestly think Elfman, Walker, Goldenthal, and Zimmer all did a fantastic job with the character.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 15, 2021 - 5:25 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

My favorite BATMAN score is actually THE DARK KNIGHT. I love Danny Elfman's and Elliot Goldenthal's BATMAN scores, but as far as "Batman" is concerned, musically, THE DARK KNIGHT nailed the character the most for me.

This is interesting because the character is really dependent upon the interpretation. I think there is an overdependency in modern times on making characters flawed and broken and emphasizing those darker aspects of a character instead of the more positive aspects that drive a character to action. Is there ever room for an optimistic and simple, mythical character? I could imagine a scenario where "Luke Skywalker" is re-represented on film, given a darker backstory, delving into his emotional issues, depression, his conflict about his parents, and the resulting musical theme wouldn't be the heroic "Luke Fanfare / Star Wars fanfare" but some dark, brooding theme. At that point someone might say the same thing as you, but I think it would be a betrayal of what that character is.

But, while Luke Skywalker has the integrity of the character clearly-defined by Lucas, I think Batman has always been a bit less-defined and subject to interpretation. In that sense, I think every portrayal of Batman on screen has always had a fitting musical identity for it. Elfman's music perfectly matched what his Batman, Goldenthal's the same, and Zimmer's the same (although I can't remember there being a Batman theme in his films???)

 
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