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 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 12:51 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Crew member dead, another injured after prop gun discharged by Alec Baldwin misfires on set

https://ew.com/movies/crew-member-dead-another-injured-accidental-misfire-rust-movie/?did=687217-20211021&utm_campaign=ewk-breakingnews_relationship-builder&utm_source=ew.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=102121&cid=687217&mid=70017992291

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 1:16 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Alec Baldwin Kills One, Injures Another on Set

That should have been the headline.
Reading the article you have to figure it out yourself.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 1:39 AM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Baldwin kills no one.

Get the facts first.

Graham

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 1:40 AM   
 By:   Graham   (Member)

Crew member dead, another injured after prop gun discharged by Alec Baldwin misfires on set

https://ew.com/movies/crew-member-dead-another-injured-accidental-misfire-rust-movie/?did=687217-20211021&utm_campaign=ewk-breakingnews_relationship-builder&utm_source=ew.com&utm_medium=email&utm_content=102121&cid=687217&mid=70017992291


 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:13 AM   
 By:   pzfan   (Member)

Baldwin kills no one.

Get the facts first.

Graham


The fact is, he killed someone - although probably by accident and it was not his fault.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:25 AM   
 By:   Ny   (Member)

How is live ammunition even around? Do fx departments use it to film wall impacts and that kind of thing?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:42 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

Yeah, I read about this. Tragic. Brings back memories of the whole Brandon Lee incident on THE CROW.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 2:56 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

How is live ammunition even around? Do fx departments use it to film wall impacts and that kind of thing?

There are cases where fx departments use live ammunition to film certain stuff indeed, but normally, this type of shooting is not done concurrently side-by-side with actors shooting. It has happened but is rare that live ammunition is officially on a film set. Live ammunition is not normally brought along to a film set so that tragic accidents like the one that did happen there cannot happen. I have no idea what went on there, but obviously, it is a great tragedy. Terrible.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 3:04 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Variety: "Alec Baldwin Fired Prop Gun That Killed Cinematographer Halyna Hutchins, Injured Director"

https://variety.com/2021/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-incident-santa-fe-1235094931/


It's the gun that killed. A-ha.


This will be investigated.

What a freak show was there going on?

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 4:29 AM   
 By:   jackDAWG   (Member)

How terrible. My heart goes out to the family of the deceased and the injured person as well.
"The safety of our cast and crew remains our top priority." - Really? If it was your top priority, then what went wrong? Especially in light of what happend to Brandon Lee.
A prop gun? I realize that revolvers are often loaded with real bullets, or at least bullets in which the cartridges have been emptied of the powder and the slugs have been reinserted so that when it's pointed at the camera, the slugs can be seen in the cylinder. That was what was involved in the Brandon Lee accident.
But with two people being shot, it sounds more like a semi-automatic weapon. That's why it's confusing to me that they stated it's a prop gun. I've always thought a prop gun is either a realistic copy or a real firearm with the firing pin removed, something to render it incapable of actually shooting.
And while I can't stand Baldwin, I do hate it for him and feel for him. He'll have that to live with from now on.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 6:24 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)


But with two people being shot, it sounds more like a semi-automatic weapon.


If it's a western, it may well have been a revolver. You can shoot very fast with a revolver.

A lot of prop guns are actually quite dangerous and basically "real" guns. You can't remove the firing pin, as then blanks would not shoot out either. So not all prop guns are "fake", in fact, many revolvers used for shooting scenes in Westerns are very likely more or less "real" (as in functioning) guns.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 6:50 AM   
 By:   John McMasters   (Member)

Terrible, just terrible. Brought up that horrible accident when Jon-Erik Hexum was goofing around on set with a prop pistol that did have blanks, but when he played russian roulette with the gun and one blank, he got it too close to his head when it went off and killed himself. Prop guns with blanks are no toys.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 7:21 AM   
 By:   jackDAWG   (Member)

The Post has reported that Baldwin was mortified and kept asking why he was given a "hot" gun.


Edit: FWIW, "IATSE Local 44, which covers prop masters, sent an email to its members early Friday morning that said the gun used in the scene contained 'a live round' and the production’s propmaster was not a member of Local 44."

https://www.indiewire.com/2021/10/alec-baldwin-fires-gun-kills-cinematographer-wounds-director-on-rust-set-1234673555/

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 8:48 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

Alec Baldwin just Twittered about the incident two minutes ago.

He says "There are no words to convey my shock and sadness regarding the tragic accident that took the life of Halyna Hutchins, a wife, mother and deeply admired colleague of ours. I'm fully cooperating with the police investigation to address how this tragedy occurred" in a Part 1 Post, probably Part 2 will follow.

https://twitter.com/AlecBaldwin/status/1451572461787439106

I am sure that he is shocked and mortified. I mean, imagine, you just dress up and play cowboy or whatever and suddenly, you shoot someone for real because for some %/&$! (and yet to be explained) reason you have real bullets in your "prop" gun. That's devastating.

And Halyna Hutchins, man.... may she rest in peace. Obviously a very talented young woman who had lots of interesting projects ahead of her, not to mention apparently family and a young son. What a terrible, sad tragedy.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 8:50 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

The question is why was a gun used in a movie aimed at someone who isn't in the movie?

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 8:55 AM   
 By:   Viscount Bark R. Y.   (Member)

The question is why was a gun used in a movie aimed at someone who isn't in the movie?

I'm assuming they were setting up a close-up of the gun being fired?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 9:09 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)

The question is why was a gun used in a movie aimed at someone who isn't in the movie?

I'm assuming they were setting up a close-up of the gun being fired?


Assuming the ammo was real than the person who loaded the gun is probably responsible. It's not an actors job.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 9:54 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The question is why was a gun used in a movie aimed at someone who isn't in the movie?

That happens so many times. Usually, guns are not fired at other actors, but "somewhere". Unless both actors are in the same shot. It's much more common for an actor to fire a gun "at the camera" as it is to fire a gun at another actor (again, unless they are in the same shot).

I mean, every James Bond barrel sequence is whoever is currently playing Bond shooting the director of photography.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 9:57 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)



Assuming the ammo was real than the person who loaded the gun is probably responsible. It's not an actors job.


That is true. Actors are usually handed "ready to shoot" guns from the prop master. Actors rely on everything being checked by professionals. They are given guns with the appropriate (there are different types) blanks. We don't know what happened yet, but obviously, it is being investigated.

 
 Posted:   Oct 22, 2021 - 10:57 AM   
 By:   jackDAWG   (Member)

A witness from the set claims that the round passed through Hutchins, then struck Souza.
I've seen some quotes from other armorers that claim that Baldwin as producer had hired non-union armorers due to it being a low-budget effort.
One quote was that when rehearsing or filming gunfire closeups, the proper procedure is to "cheat" the angle, so that even though it looks like it is pointing directly at the camera, it never really is.
It sounds to me like it's going to turn out like the helicopter incident in the filming of Twilight Zone: The Movie. Proper precautions weren't followed and disaster was the result.

He's also getting some really nasty comments on Twitter about this being Karma for his own 2017 question about "how it must feel to wrongfully kill someone."

 
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