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 Posted:   Nov 1, 2021 - 4:36 AM   
 By:   Sehnsuchtshafen   (Member)

Anyone thinking that someone who uses a firearm is not responsible to check it first needs to think again.

Remember those safety rules I've previously posted.
They should never be ignored.

And.

District attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies takes issue with the firearm used being described as a “prop gun,” saying that the terminology could give people the wrong idea that it was not a real gun.

Hopefully, this will go through with some oblivious film fans, too.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2021 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Anyone thinking that someone who uses a firearm is not responsible to check it first needs to think again.

Maybe Baldwin wasn't a gun owner, and noone told him this. Although you'd think over the course of his career, he would have heard that dictum, and as producer of the film, would know it was a real gun.

District attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies takes issue with the firearm used being described as a “prop gun,” saying that the terminology could give people the wrong idea that it was not a real gun.

Why? Why should it matter to the DA what people think? Has there been an epidemic of real "prop" gun movie deaths recently? It should only matter to a grand jury, if it comes to that. She shouldn't be trying her case "in the court of public opinion."

 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2021 - 9:08 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I for one never knew they used real guns in movies. I thought they were fake guns (prop guns) that create smoke and a flash to simulate a gun fire. As far as Baldwin checking his own gun, he would only be culpable if that was standard practice in the industry. Whats the chain of command on a movie set? Seems its up to the armorer and assistant director to check the gun. Also the armorer is supposed to hand the gun to the actor.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 1, 2021 - 10:14 AM   
 By:   Last Child   (Member)

Most news stories about this incident have mentioned that filmmakers use both fake and real guns for various reasons. But if they used a real "prop" gun for target practice between filming, something was terribly wrong.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2021 - 4:48 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

And the lawsuits are beginning. A crew member has filed a suit against Baldwin, the AD, and the armorer for negligence, stating among other things, that "the scene did not call for Defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt Revolver."

Looks like rough going ahead.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2021 - 6:22 AM   
 By:   Ron Pulliam   (Member)

And the lawsuits are beginning. A crew member has filed a suit against Baldwin, the AD, and the armorer for negligence, stating among other things, that "the scene did not call for Defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt Revolver."

Looks like rough going ahead.


The crew member is apparently capitalizing on an "opportunity". He claims the cinematographer was a very close friend and he is claiming extreme emotional distress.

 
 Posted:   Nov 11, 2021 - 7:46 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

And the lawsuits are beginning. A crew member has filed a suit against Baldwin, the AD, and the armorer for negligence, stating among other things, that "the scene did not call for Defendant Baldwin to shoot the Colt Revolver."

Looks like rough going ahead.


The crew member is apparently capitalizing on an "opportunity". He claims the cinematographer was a very close friend and he is claiming extreme emotional distress.


I'm sure there will be countless frivolous and legitimate lawsuits in the coming months. Especially in a high profile news story such as this.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 7:00 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

Update: NEW YORK (AP) — Alec Baldwin told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos in an interview airing Thursday that he did not pull the trigger on a prop gun he was holding on a New Mexico film set when it went off, killing a cinematographer.
“I didn’t pull the trigger,” Baldwin said. “I would never point a gun at anyone and pull the trigger at them. Never.”

Interesting comments, to say the least. It is possible, however unlikely that he didn’t pull the trigger. According to the sheriff, the gun is a modern replica of a single-action army revolver. So, it may/may not have safety features to prevent firing without squeezing the trigger. It should be fairly easily determined by testing it.

This is the main reason that it is common revolver safety practice to have the cylinder empty under the hammer to prevent an accidental discharge, should the hammer be pulled part-way back, then released, or something similar.
I'm no expert, but I do know how to use firearms. I own a couple of revolvers and the cylinder under the hammer is always empty.

As far as not pointing it at anyone, while he may not have done that intentionally, he would almost have to have directed it at the cinematographer while drawing it, perhaps swinging it toward her as she was in the arc path.

This sort of thing happens in hunting accidents, in that the shooter, while swinging the weapon to shoot at the target prematurely squeezes the trigger and hits someone in the path of the arc.

TheAvenger had previously commented that for quick draws, actors sometimes have the hammer already cocked before drawing the firearm. Sounds like this must be the case here.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 8:30 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

I'm not going to call him guilty without hearing the evidence but I find his explanation very unlikely. When you're facing criminal or civil issues especially in a high profile case like this, you keep your mouth shut unless you're trying to do damage control or sway public opinion before pending trial(s).

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 8:53 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

According to Yahoo News, "Rust" assistant director Dave Halls has maintained Alec Baldwin's claim that he didn't pull the trigger of the gun that fired and left cinematographer Halyna Hutchins dead and director Joel Souza injured, his attorney says.

Lisa Torraco, who is representing Halls, said in a new interview that the assistant director has said from the first day she met him that he believes a misfire took place.

"The entire time Baldwin had his finger outside the trigger guard, parallel to the barrel, and that he told me since day one he thought it was a misfire. And until Alec said that it was just really hard to believe. But Dave has told me since the first day I met him that Alec did not pull that trigger," Torraco said in an interview that aired on "Good Morning America" on Thursday.

https://news.yahoo.com/apos-rust-apos-assistant-director-132246934.html

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 9:14 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

If true that's very good news for Baldwin. But I still find it strange those directly involved in a potential civil/criminal case are doing public interviews.

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

If true that's very good news for Baldwin. But I still find it strange those directly involved in a potential civil/criminal case are doing public interviews.

Yes, my cinical side wants to think there's some wagons starting to circle.

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 10:04 AM   
 By:   Bob DiMucci   (Member)

Seems fairly certain at this point that Dave Halls will not be publicly suing Baldwin. I'm sure Baldwin will be privately covering any out-of-pocket expenses incurred by Halls, with maybe an added emolument for Hall's "inconvenience."

 
 Posted:   Dec 2, 2021 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

But who really remembers the fine details of something like that? I totally get Baldwin saying that he swears his finger wasn't on the trigger, but anyone else...? I can't even remember the immediate details of a car accident if I'm not in the driver's seat. My house burned down last year and my wife and I have different accounts of the events. The basics are in sync but not the details. There's a huge amount of emotion involved in an event of this magnitude. Shock obliterates a lot. If I were on the set and not in an official capacity to monitor Baldwin's usage of the weapon, I wouldn't be able to truthfully say more than "sorry, Alec, but all I remember was the gun in your hand and it going off."

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2021 - 6:21 AM   
 By:   jackfu   (Member)

According to The Hollywood Reporter: In the interview, Baldwin walked through what happened in detail, telling Stephanopoulos that they were doing a marking rehearsal, with Hutchins giving Baldwin instructions so she could line up a shot when they began filming.

“She was standing next to the camera, looking at a monitor … guiding me for how to hold the gun for this angle,” Baldwin said. “The gun wasn’t meant to be fired in that angle. I am holding the gun where I was told to hold it, which was right below her armpit. An angle that might not be filmed at all.”

Baldwin says that Hutchins told him to begin cocking the hammer for a particular shot.

I pulled the hammer as far back as I could without cocking the gun,” Baldwin said. “I let go of the hammer and bang, the gun goes off.”

“Everyone was shocked … the gun was supposed to be empty. I was told I was handed an empty gun. She goes down, I thought to myself, did she faint?” he added. “The notion that there was a live round in that gun did not dawn on me until 45 minutes or an hour later.”

One of the potential safety issues for single action revolvers and the origin of the phrase "Going off half-cocked".
Also, some older revolvers have strong springs and the hammer is actually quite difficult to pull back to the cocked position.
So, perhaps he didn't squeeze the trigger, but raised the hammer far back enough so that when he released it, it struck with enough force to fire the cartridge.

First, how did a live round get in there?
Why did he just let the hammer fall so hard? Did he just let it go and hit nearly full speed and force?
To un-cock a revolver, one typically points it away to a safe direction, holds back the hammer (actually have to pull it back slightly further), then while holding the hammer back, squeeze the trigger gently and finally lower the hammer slowly until it seats safely.

It becomes more clear that numerous mistakes were made, some of them were Baldwin's fault.
The sad thing is that so many, if not all, were basic handgun safety violations that a trained team would have prevented.

 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2021 - 10:02 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

Oh, this is going to get ugly. Looks like he's putting the blame on the person he accidentally killed. How could he not realize the gun was loaded until 45 minutes later? He fired the damn shot point blank range. Wasn't there any blood on the victim? If you're setting up a shot can't you do it with a "finger pistil"? Why do you have to hold the real thing in a rehearsal?

 
 
 Posted:   Dec 3, 2021 - 1:21 PM   
 By:   TheAvenger   (Member)

Crocodile tears. Baldwin should get some sort of an award for that performance.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 8:38 AM   
 By:   dragon53   (Member)

Alec Baldwin and armorer charged with involuntary manslaughter.


LINK: https://variety.com/2023/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-charges-santa-fe-1235385081/

 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 11:01 AM   
 By:   Adam.   (Member)

Alec Baldwin charged with involuntary manslaughter.

Good decision. If he hadn't been such an arrogant bastard since the accident I might have more sympathy.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 19, 2023 - 11:23 AM   
 By:   chriscoyle   (Member)


CNN had a short interview with the Santa Fe prosecutor right after the announcement that was very good. They took their time and gathered all the evidence before they made a decision to file charges.

 
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