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 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 8:44 AM   
 By:   keky   (Member)

From Beat Records' facebook page:

"We are close to reveal 3 Holy-Grail projects which will be soon available in pre-order for a December release:

One that many of us are asking since decades, like a gift from Heaven.

One, already released largely uncomplete, that has a host of fans that, during the years, asked many times for an expanded version. Finally we found the missing master tape...

One that is one of the 3 most iconic ever scores which we remastered from the 24 tracks master tapes found in our archives and that now features a brilliant sound and unreleased important material!

Come back here with us on Friday 29 October and we'll reveal the first of these 3 Grails!"


I have no idea what they are but surely hope for some Morricone...

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Justin Boggan   (Member)

Sounds exciting!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 8:52 AM   
 By:   Bromhead   (Member)

I really hope it is Zombie 2,AKA Zombie Flesh eaters,that has always had missing music thought lost and has had many incomplete releases....

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 8:54 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

I have a feeling that there will be some Italian stuff in there.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:04 AM   
 By:   henry   (Member)

I have a feeling that there will be some Italian stuff in there.

I hope some of that Italian stuff is Conti!

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

Three of the most lofty, promising clues I've ever read from any label. Looking forward to the announcement.

BEAT is pretty much exclusively Italian scores, correct? What are some legendary Italian titles that are completely unreleased and that fans of Italian film music have been wanting for decades? Maybe a Nino Rota score? "I Vitelloni" or "Le Notti Bianche?" Maybe Carlo Savina's original material for "Lisa and the Devil?" The original tracks for Alessandro Cicognini's "The Bicycle Thief? Ennio Morricone's "Danger: Diabolik?" (this would be massive - I almost think this is it based on the clue they gave)

Any Italian scores that fans have been wanting expanded for decades that anybody can think of? For me, the discovery of decent/good/great-sounding tapes for Rota's "La Strada" would be amazing. On a similar note, a miraculously good-sounding version of Rota's "War and Peace" would be great, but I understand that is impossible for various reasons having to do with the way it was recorded.

Any other ideas?

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:07 AM   
 By:   Lokutus   (Member)

FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE?


Anyway, some PIOVANI is long overdue. It's ridiculous how neglected his output is.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:15 AM   
 By:   Thomas   (Member)

My first thought was Diabolik as well. Plus hasn't there been a recent vinyl release of it, or have I got that wrong?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:25 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

Lokutus:

I've read that the GDM release of Ennio Morricone's "For a Few Dollars More" leaves a lot to be desired in the sound department. Being a famous film and score, that would certainly fit the clues.

I love Nicola Piovani. Of his early unreleased work, I think I'm only familiar with "Le Orme," which was an interesting and lovely score for a wonderful, strange film. That said, I'm not sure Piovani fits the clues - it sounds to me that all of these titles will be from more famous composers and/or films.

Thomas:

There has been a (synth, I believe) re-recording of "Danger: Diabolik" but the original tracks have never been released - to my knowledge, they have been considered lost for decades.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   WilkStepowy   (Member)

As for second title... it could be John Barry's Starcrash - Italian movie, already released largely uncomplete on CD and as far as I remember, at the beginning of this year someone wrote at FSM board that complete master tapes were found.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:26 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

FOR A FEW DOLLARS MORE?

That could be the ' released but largely 'uncomplete'.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:27 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Orgasmo by Piero Umiliani?

The CD is already included in the Lenzi/Baker Giallo Collection.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:31 AM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

What about some Bruno or DeMasi.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:40 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

JC:

Piero Umiliani's "Orgasmo" is a very neat score for another strange and very interesting Italian cult film, but I believe all of these clues speak to the titles being more famous than that. As you pointed out, it has also already been released (albeit as a Blu-ray exclusive).

Damian:

Are there any specific Bruno Nicolai or Francesco De Masi scores that fit the clues? I can't think of any myself, but there may be something that's eluding me. That said, I'm admittedly more versed with Nicolai than De Masi.

Are there any famous Piero Piccioni or Riz Ortolani scores that are entirely unreleased or largely incomplete?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:44 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

BEAT is pretty much exclusively Italian scores, correct? What are some legendary Italian titles that are completely unreleased and that fans of Italian film music have been wanting for decades? Maybe a Nino Rota score? "I Vitelloni" or "Le Notti Bianche?" Maybe Carlo Savina's original material for "Lisa and the Devil?" The original tracks for Alessandro Cicognini's "The Bicycle Thief? Ennio Morricone's "Danger: Diabolik?" (this would be massive - I almost think this is it based on the clue they gave)
Any Italian scores that fans have been wanting expanded for decades that anybody can think of? For me, the discovery of decent/good/great-sounding tapes for Rota's "La Strada" would be amazing. On a similar note, a miraculously good-sounding version of Rota's "War and Peace" would be great, but I understand that is impossible for various reasons having to do with the way it was recorded.
Any other ideas?


I would say "No" to all your proposals above. The real Beat label fans in Italy to which the label caters for the most part have totally different preferences which have nothing to do at all with most of the titles you mention. Has Beat for example ever released an old Rota title? No.
Nowadays it´s all about 70s/80s Italian genre stuff, mainly from the horror, police or comedy genres, maybe even from the Spaghetti western genre. Many fans in Italy for example have long wish lists with a lot of Italian 80s comedy scores which almost nobody knows in foreign countries. So this stands in total contrast to what gets wished here on the FSM board. Please keep this in mind.
I would above all expect a Terence Hill/Bud Spencer title from the 70s like PARI E DISPARI, I DUE SUPERPIEDI QUASI PIATTI or even PIEDONE D´EGITTO which so many collectors in Italy (and also in Germany) have asked for at Beat during the last one or two decades, almost driving them nuts. I am quite sure that one of the three so-called Holy Grails will be a De Angelis title for one of these Hill/Spencer movies - above all as Beat has now a very good working relationship with Cabum which is the label of the De Angelis brothers.
All three titles will certainly be Italian ones and people who expect any US titles or at least titles by US composers will be heavily disappointed.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 9:56 AM   
 By:   DS   (Member)

Thank you very much for your insight, Stefan.

I'm also a big fan of '70s/80s Italian genre films/scores, so I would certainly be pleased with everything you've speculated. If we're thinking '70s and '80s, maybe Pino Donaggio fits? Though he has a lot of fans in the US, I know he's far more famous in Italy. "Un sussurro nel buio" (1976) and "Nothing Underneath" (1985) would both be wonderful choices.





On another note, what are some famous '70s and '80s Italian comedy scores that might be considered? I actually really like Italian comedy films and scores but my exposure is limited.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 10:15 AM   
 By:   Stefan Schlegel   (Member)

Thank you very much for your insight, Stefan.

I'm also a big fan of '70s/80s Italian cult films/scores, so I would certainly be pleased with everything you've speculated. If we're thinking '70s and '80s, maybe Pino Donaggio fits? Though he has a lot of fans in the US, I know he's far more famous in Italy. "Un sussurro nel buio" (1976) or "Nothing Underneath" (1985) would both be wonderful choices.


Donaggio´s UN SUSSURRO NEL BUIO would at least be a possibility - much more so than any of the 50s Rota titles which you mentioned and which will definitely not be released by Beat.

On another note, what are some famous '70s and '80s Italian comedy scores that might be considered? I actually really like Italian comedy films and scores but my exposure is limited.

There are a lot of Detto Mariano 80s comedy scores which have their fans and are quite popular in Italy, but not in foreign countries. For example LA CASA STREGATA from 1982 or CORNETTI ALLA CREMA from 1981. I think there also some more De Anglelis comedy scores like the L´ALLENATORE NEL PALLONE one which Beat had already issued just a few years ago. Or some Bruno Zambrini scores. These are all scores which nobody on this board would probably ever think about.

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 10:20 AM   
 By:   JC   (Member)

Every new De Angelis score is welcome. Pari e dispari or Cipolla Colt would be great.

 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 10:21 AM   
 By:   ryanpaquet   (Member)

Any chance the second clue could be Jesus of Nazareth?

 
 
 Posted:   Oct 27, 2021 - 10:22 AM   
 By:   moolik   (Member)

Maybe ORCA

 
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