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 Posted:   Nov 17, 2021 - 1:12 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

I was listening to an old mix tape of mine earlier and one of the tracks on it is John Williams' "The Abduction of Barry" from CE3K. I've heard this tons of time before, of course, but this time I really gave it a listen and wondered about what Williams used as inspiration. This is a kind of avant garde writing that he rarely used - despite a 1972 interview around the time of Images when he raved about Peter Maxwell Davies and Stomu Yamashta's work on The Devils making it sound like he continue to want to write Images style scores. (But, of course, he would soon become the master of the blockbuster.

"The Abduction of Barry" is reminiscent, to me, of Penderecki, especially his "Entombment and Resurrection of Christ" choral works from earlier in the 1970s. Has Williams ever talked about the genesis of the "Abduction" cue?

 
 Posted:   Nov 17, 2021 - 1:46 PM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

The influence of the Penderecki is indeed an obvious one in that score.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2021 - 9:57 PM   
 By:   jkruppa   (Member)

Oh yeah, I hear lots of Penderecki in CE3K.

I'm curious where you found that 1972 Williams interview, though. I'd love to read that.

 
 Posted:   Nov 18, 2021 - 10:51 PM   
 By:   Viscount Bark   (Member)

Oh yeah, I hear lots of Penderecki in CE3K.

I'm curious where you found that 1972 Williams interview, though. I'd love to read that.


It's in the Irwin Bazelon book Knowing the Score.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2021 - 12:11 AM   
 By:   Thor   (Member)

I've always thought Ligeti rather than Penderecki in that scene. But I suppose both references could work.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2021 - 2:24 AM   
 By:   Laurent-Watteau   (Member)

I love this track, clearly influenced by the Penderecki of the 60s/70s (De Natura Sonoris, etc.). There really is a form of orchestral/vocal audio morphing at various places, and I'm not always sure what I'm actually listening to : voices, acoustic or electronic instruments. I also especially love the moment when the female and male choirs intersect, from low to high, and vice versa. Great piece as far as I'm concerned !

 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2021 - 3:24 AM   
 By:   judy the hutt   (Member)

I've always thought Ligeti rather than Penderecki in that scene. But I suppose both references could work.

does that mean one "borrowed" from the other? oooo

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2021 - 5:27 AM   
 By:   Laurent-Watteau   (Member)

I've always thought Ligeti rather than Penderecki in that scene. But I suppose both references could work.

does that mean one "borrowed" from the other? oooo


We should add Xenakis in the mix.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 19, 2021 - 7:10 AM   
 By:   Broughtfan   (Member)

Definitely Penderecki's influence in that sequence. Also, for the mothership arrival, Hovhaness' "And God Created Great Whales," the difference being the Hovhaness aleatoric passages (including the CE3K pandiatonic type in the strings) often accompanies recording of whale sounds.

Interesting to see this post as I was thinking just today how the "Flute Concerto" seems light years away (in terms of rhythmic, orchestration complexity, formal design) than "The Essay for Strings" written just four years before (JW sounding like a different composer really).

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 20, 2021 - 4:38 AM   
 By:   ZardozSpeaks   (Member)

Tsk ... Tsk.

Abduction under the influence?

Now, now ... that's cribbing.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   Prince Damian   (Member)

Seeing as it said ' influence' in the heading-


https://www.yourclassical.org/story/2021/05/04/star-wars-john-williams-influences

 
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