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 Posted:   Nov 27, 2021 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Howard L   (Member)

The flick was okay but oy, I have NEVER forgiven them for turning what should have been a monumentally profound moment in the annals of ST history into one of the all-time anals of an ending. Am putting on "City On The Edge Of Forever" later and get the bad taste out of my head.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2021 - 1:49 PM   
 By:   W. David Lichty [Lorien]   (Member)

The flick was okay but oy, I have NEVER forgiven them for turning what should have been a monumentally profound moment in the annals of ST history into one of the all-time anals of an ending. Am putting on "City On The Edge Of Forever" later and get the bad taste out of my head.

James Cromwell was a bad choice for the Zefram Cochrane role. I don't understand why some actors pat themselves on the back for ignoring the previous establishment of a character, as Robin Curtis did with Saavik. Her performance was a sore thumb only more noticeable than Cromwell's for its comparative proximity to its predecessor. Cromwell's was worse, a greater and less forgivable divergence from the calm, thoughtful, considered fellow rendered so memorable in the Metamorphosis episode of the series by Glenn Corbett. If they really needed an obnoxious, rebellious snot to first meet the Vulcans they'd've done better changing the canonical character's name than getting his soul all wrong.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2021 - 2:51 PM   
 By:   Nicholas_DW   (Member)

I thought the Cochrane in "Metamorphosis" was as boring as the rest of the episode and thoroughly enjoyed what Braga and Moore wrote far better. However, since the episode takes place later in the life of Dr. Cochrane, it's easy to imagine that that was him after getting clean. He was far more like his TOS counterpart at the opening of "Broken Bow" after all. I'd take the human ending of First Contact over the pompous bullet they thankfully dodged any day. Better to have the Vulcans meet a sloppy, warm-hearted individual than a pompous ass who's too busy being an orator than a human at such a point in time.

 
 Posted:   Nov 27, 2021 - 4:22 PM   
 By:   King Solium   (Member)

I was never much of a NG fan, I thought the characters were kinda boring. What I like about First Contact was they kinda flipped the characters personalities. (Much like the colors on their uniforms!) Picard was emotional and abrasive, Number One was logical and the straight man, Troy was a party animal, Barkley was confident, etc. I can see how this would annoy die-hard fans but it made the characters fresh and interesting for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 28, 2021 - 9:03 AM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)



James Cromwell was a bad choice for the Zefram Cochrane role. I don't understand why some actors pat themselves on the back for ignoring the previous establishment of a character


Because that's the character Moore and Braga wrote. They wanted him to be someone looking to cash in not be some aspirational legend. They wanted a jerk to usher in this new era of humanity. I think the idea behind it works well - people don't just start off as benevolent.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 9:22 AM   
 By:   William R.   (Member)

I remember opening day. I was going to technical college for electronics at the time. I got off early that day and went to see it by myself. I loved it, score and film! The FIRST CONTACT theme is my favorite Goldsmith composition.

Hearing the theme play in all of its glory over the opening credits in a darkened theater was a certainly a memorable experience. Even in 1996, it felt like something from a fondly-remembered bygone era. I realize the competition is pretty damn stiff, but it's my favorite TREK theme, even if it's certainly not the best TREK score overall.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 12:39 PM   
 By:   Michael Scorefan   (Member)

I thought the Cochrane in "Metamorphosis" was as boring as the rest of the episode and thoroughly enjoyed what Braga and Moore wrote far better. However, since the episode takes place later in the life of Dr. Cochrane, it's easy to imagine that that was him after getting clean. He was far more like his TOS counterpart at the opening of "Broken Bow" after all. I'd take the human ending of First Contact over the pompous bullet they thankfully dodged any day. Better to have the Vulcans meet a sloppy, warm-hearted individual than a pompous ass who's too busy being an orator than a human at such a point in time.

I really liked the film's take on the character. First Contact was a pivotal event for the Federation and by the time the TNG crew was alive, Zephram Cochrane had become a deified figure with at least one statue having been erected in his honor. Portraying Cochrane as a flawed person was a nice contrast to the myth he became. I suspect that many of the people societies have deified over the years are closer to the Cochrane in the film than the myth of who they were supposed to be: a flawed person who still does profound things, even if it isn't necessarily for a good or the "right" reason. It was also clear that Cochrane was meant to evolve from who he was during the events of the film (meeting aliens for the first time will do that to you), as he mocked a quote from his later self that Riker had quoted.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 5:38 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

What I didn't like about Cromwell's Cochrane was the idea that a rowdy drunk in biker-gang drag would be the physicist who solves warp drive. I just don't believe him as a guy who could do the math.

They evidently thought the film would be more commercial if Cochrane was an abrasive, counter-culture, anti-hero type. And commercially, they were right. But l found it unconvincing.

 
 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 6:45 PM   
 By:   Avatarded   (Member)

The best line in the film belongs to Cochrane:

"You think I wanna go to the stars? I don't even like to fly! I take trains!"

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   Spinmeister   (Member)

They evidently thought the film would be more commercial if Cochrane was an abrasive, counter-culture, anti-hero type.

aka the comic relief.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 8:01 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

They evidently thought the film would be more commercial if Cochrane was an abrasive, counter-culture, anti-hero type. And commercially, they were right. But l found it unconvincing.

Gee, I don't think anybody thought James Cromwell, a veteran character actor pushing 60, was going to be the new James Dean. They were trying to make a character and give him an arc. "Sincere heroic scientist" would have been a dead end in that story (at least as far as I can imagine), but "troubled genius" (of which there are many in the real world, I don't find that in the least unconvincing) provided a journey. He was a guy who feared he could never live up to the legend these people from the future had in their minds. I really liked that choice.

 
 Posted:   Nov 29, 2021 - 10:33 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

What I didn't like about Cromwell's Cochrane was the idea that a rowdy drunk in biker-gang drag would be the physicist who solves warp drive. I just don't believe him as a guy who could do the math.



I think you need to expand your social circle. There are brilliant people in many unexpected places and subcultures that don't show up dressed like a traditional "egghead".

 
 Posted:   Nov 30, 2021 - 1:11 PM   
 By:   LeHah   (Member)

They evidently thought the film would be more commercial if Cochrane was an abrasive, counter-culture, anti-hero type. And commercially, they were right. But l found it unconvincing.

Its a good thing Hollywood doesn't come to you for any ideas then.

 
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