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 Posted:   Jul 5, 2022 - 4:19 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

No, he's awful at comedy. (IMHO) Thor: Ragnarok's humor, direction and performances were sophomoric. The script was garbage too.

I really enjoyed Thor (2011), though the final showdown was a bit anti-climatic because of its low budget.


Different strokes for different folks I guess! The first two Thor movies are easily among my MCU bottom five, despite having by far the most compelling villain of the first two Phases in Tom Hiddleston's Loki. But one of the few other elements I liked from the very first Thor was the comedic stuff with Hemsworth. I think Joss Whedon recognized his comedic potential and really brought it to the fore in the original Avengers, and then Taika Waititi just pushed it to eleven... I'll be honest it really worked for me, but then I have no connection to the comics.

Hemsworth being silly and having fun was also the second-best part of the widely-reviled Paul Feig Ghostbusters, IMO (after Kate McKinnon being silly and having fun... dear lord would I have preferred to watch whatever movie she thought she was in).

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 5, 2022 - 6:07 PM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)



Hemsworth being silly and having fun was also the second-best part of the widely-reviled Paul Feig Ghostbusters, IMO (after Kate McKinnon being silly and having fun... dear lord would I have preferred to watch whatever movie she thought she was in).

Yavar


I don't think their take on Ghostbusters deserves the rap it gets but I agree, Hemsworth and McKinnon were the high points of that film. His timing and overall comedic chops were spot on.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 6:06 AM   
 By:   Vincent van den Ouden   (Member)

Now available in any country where it's already Wednesday

https://music.apple.com/nz/album/thor-love-and-thunder-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/1632659837

1. Mama’s Got a Brand New Hammer (6:10)
2. Just Desert (2:25)
3. Indigarr with the Diva (1:44)
4. The Not Ready for New Asgard Players (1:39)
5. See Jane Thor (1:08)
6. Distressed Out (2:38)
7. Gorr Animals (2:33)
8. A Gorr Phobia (2:08)
9. The Ax Games (1:21)
10. Thorring to New Heights (0:57)
11. Show Intel (2:53)
12. We’re Not Emos We’re Gods (0:51)
13. The Zeus Fanfares (1:26)
14. I Was in the Pool! (2:25)
15. Saving Face (3:09)
16. Utter Lunarcy (1:24)
17. Think on Your Defeat (1:41)
18. Bedside Hammer (1:35)
19. Temple-itis (1:38)
20. Surely, Temple (1:01)
21. The Power of Thor Propels You (2:01)
22. Foster? I Barely Know Her! (3:06)
23. Jane Stop This Crazy Thing (2:52)
24. One Wish to Rule Them All (2:58)
25. All’s Fair in Love and Thor (1:44)
26. Bawl and Jane (1:23)
27. The Kids Are Alright (1:21)
28. The Ballad of Love and Thunder (8:12)



Here in Europe it's been wednesday for about 15hours, so I had time to listen to the soundtrack. My first impression is that it's not as good as Mothersbaugh's take on it. Being Giacchino, I was kind of hoping he would reference previous themes, but alas, no. First track is a lot of fun. The rest of the album comes across as Giacchino being on autopilot; something to which has been prone to do a lot for the last couple of years.

'The Zeus Fanfares' is a fun and campy poke at Miklos Rozsa though big grin

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 7:20 AM   
 By:   Dr. Nigel Channing   (Member)

I could live without the electric guitar.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 8:34 AM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

No, he's awful at comedy. (IMHO) Thor: Ragnarok's humor, direction and performances were sophomoric. The script was garbage too.

I really enjoyed Thor (2011), though the final showdown was a bit anti-climatic because of its low budget.


Different strokes for different folks I guess! The first two Thor movies are easily among my MCU bottom five, despite having by far the most compelling villain of the first two Phases in Tom Hiddleston's Loki. But one of the few other elements I liked from the very first Thor was the comedic stuff with Hemsworth. I think Joss Whedon recognized his comedic potential and really brought it to the fore in the original Avengers, and then Taika Waititi just pushed it to eleven... I'll be honest it really worked for me, but then I have no connection to the comics.

Hemsworth being silly and having fun was also the second-best part of the widely-reviled Paul Feig Ghostbusters, IMO (after Kate McKinnon being silly and having fun... dear lord would I have preferred to watch whatever movie she thought she was in).

Yavar


I have no problem with Thor in Avengers Assemble or even the light humored parts in Thor itself. There's a difference between situational comedy and being a comedic. Avengers Assemble is a drama with some humor, Ragnarok is a comedy. Hemsworth is okay with some situational humor but is a horrible comedic. I can't stomach any of t he cast in Ghostbusters (2016).

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 10:49 AM   
 By:   nuts_score   (Member)

I could live without the electric guitar.

Not me. Electric guitar is one of the most versatile instruments, capable of a gamut of melodic and rhythmic use! I couldn't even imagine the last century of music without it. And in the case of Thor, a fantastical character of myth, his influence rings large throughout rock & roll and metal music as both a beloved Jack Kirby & Stan Lee Marvel Comics creation and his Norse God roots!

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 11:51 AM   
 By:   Luc Van der Eeken   (Member)

By the way...where's 'our' Thor? It feels like he hasn't been here for a while...

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 12:08 PM   
 By:   Solium   (Member)

By the way...where's 'our' Thor? It feels like he hasn't been here for a while...

I was wondering that too. Maybe scared off by all the recent reissues.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 8:07 PM   
 By:   musicpaladin2007   (Member)

Themes by Michael Giacchino
Score by Michael Giacchino & Nami Melumad, coming 6th July

https://mobile.twitter.com/filmmusicrep/status/1542924401934381057?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet%7Ctwtr%5Etrue


Oh, that's awesome, kudos to Nami! Very excited to hear more from her. I'm going out on a limb and comparing her to Shirley Walker, as a female composer working on TV shows and films that are typically dominated by the guys.


I don't understand this trend of someone else writing the themes for a composer, and lately it seems to be the male big name composers writing themes for the female composers.

These composers are more than capable of writing their own themes - they don't need it done for them. And Nami Melumad has had this done to her on multiple occasions (Prodigy and Strange New Worlds, by Giacchino and Jeff Russo). She is extremely talented - she can write her own without the big male composer coming to her rescue to do it for her.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 9:21 PM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

Uh, that’s pretty unfair. I’m sure it’s Giacchino who got her the gig. I’m sure that Waititi wanted to work with Giacchino again after Jojo Rabbit. Melumad is getting a lot of opportunities (deservedly!) really fast, thanks to Giacchino. So maybe check the suggestion that he shouldn’t be involved at all.

Giacchino did the exact same thing in the past with Chris Tilton and Chad Seiter taking related projects and using his themes, and they were men.

I wish Melumad had gotten to write her own Trek main themes too, but I don’t think it’s a matter of sexism, but the more experienced/recognized composers getting the gig. I’m sure she’ll get the chance in the future, and that her career will continue to soar.

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 9:23 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I don't understand this trend of someone else writing the themes for a composer, and lately it seems to be the male big name composers writing themes for the female composers.

These composers are more than capable of writing their own themes - they don't need it done for them.


Don't think about it that way. Most decisions in Hollywood (where I've worked for three decades) can best be understood when you realize they're made defensively by people who really don't want to lose their jobs. Being able to slap a name brand composer on the project (even if most of America couldn't care less) is an insurance policy for an executive – don't fire me, I hired somebody with an unblemished commercial track record! (This obviously applies across the board, not just for composers.)

I realize that probably seems very cynical, but it's what I've observed time and time again. And honestly, I don't blame these people. They're always on shaky ground, and they don't want to be fired.

 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 9:25 PM   
 By:   SchiffyM   (Member)

I wish Melumad had gotten to write her own Trek main themes too, but I don’t think it’s a matter of sexism, but the more experienced/recognized composers getting the gig. I’m sure she’ll get the chance in the future, and that her career will continue to soar.

I agree. And it's worth noting that there are certainly composers who would not credit even somebody who did most of the scoring. It's possibly Giacchino thought he'd be able to score this film and when time was too short (for any number of reasons) agreed to write some of it and bring on his trusted colleague to do the rest. Nothing wrong there.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 6, 2022 - 11:44 PM   
 By:   Larry847   (Member)

His work on Lost is far more than just genre stuff as implied earlier. I don't think you've plumbed the richest of his music for that series. There are many beautiful and emotional cues in his work on the show.

 
 Posted:   Jul 8, 2022 - 2:52 PM   
 By:   rdj252   (Member)

I must say, Giacchino's score for the new Thor is really good which surprised me. It's not overly loud and noisy as some of his stuff is (Star Trek & Spider-Man), and it has a great theme which every hero needs. It's a little more simple and not a consistent pounding making it more like his better stuff (John Cater, Doctor Strange and Up).

I still wish, however, the themes Patrick Doyle or Brian Tyler came up with for the first and second films, respectively, would have stuck around because both of those were good too. There's a lack of consistency which takes away from the continuity of this film series and makes all the themes less recognizable (or really unrecognizable to the non-film music fans). The third film's music was mostly forgettable trash just like the film itself, but there was a whisper of Doyle's and one of Tyler's themes which overshadowed everything Mark Mothersbaugh did.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 10, 2022 - 10:21 PM   
 By:   igger6   (Member)

I know Doyle's theme appears in "Where To?" in RAGNAROK, but where is Tyler's stuff? I appreciated Mothersbaugh's comment at the time that he deliberately used Doyle's theme when Thor took the helm of the "Asgard" ship because he was truly becoming king, and it echoed his almost-coronation in the first film. You don't often see that kind of respect for prior composers' themes, especially when a film is seven years old (at the time) and has already had a thematically amnesiac sequel score in the interim.

 
 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2022 - 5:28 AM   
 By:   Willgoldnewtonbarrygrusin   (Member)

It appears to me that when another composer is chosen the director wants a new theme because the new story demands another approach.

When the same composer scores a series of films I also want the previous themes incorporated.

But I don’t think that scores should be like a greatest hits concert, just repeating what came before.

 
 Posted:   Jul 11, 2022 - 12:24 PM   
 By:   rdj252   (Member)

I know Doyle's theme appears in "Where To?" in RAGNAROK, but where is Tyler's stuff? I appreciated Mothersbaugh's comment at the time that he deliberately used Doyle's theme when Thor took the helm of the "Asgard" ship because he was truly becoming king, and it echoed his almost-coronation in the first film. You don't often see that kind of respect for prior composers' themes, especially when a film is seven years old (at the time) and has already had a thematically amnesiac sequel score in the interim.

During the play. They used the I’ll call it the death theme. Used during Thor’s mom’s funeral.

 
 Posted:   Jul 14, 2022 - 10:05 AM   
 By:   Crew   (Member)

I know Doyle's theme appears in "Where To?" in RAGNAROK, but where is Tyler's stuff? I appreciated Mothersbaugh's comment at the time that he deliberately used Doyle's theme when Thor took the helm of the "Asgard" ship because he was truly becoming king, and it echoed his almost-coronation in the first film. You don't often see that kind of respect for prior composers' themes, especially when a film is seven years old (at the time) and has already had a thematically amnesiac sequel score in the interim.

During the play. They used the I’ll call it the death theme. Used during Thor’s mom’s funeral.



Yep. "Into Eternity" is the name of the track.

I also felt that the, "Twilight of the Gods," track had a bit of a nod to Tyler's work, as well.

 
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