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 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 1:36 PM   
 By:   Hedji   (Member)



Don't get me wrong, if my house was on fire, my 15CD La-La Land Star Trek TOS Box set would be one of the top 5 things I'd try to save. It literally is one of my favorite things I own. So much joy and revelation in that set, lovingly presented.

But I still return to the Varese and Label X Re-Recordings from time to time. Maybe I have a little nostalgia for them, but they are terrific recordings. There seemed to be an effort to balance out what GNP Crescendo was putting out with the Alexander Courage material. And I really appreciated some of the liberties taken with suites like Conscience of the King to and Enemy Within to present complete musical stories. I suppose you have a head scratcher like I, Mudd in there, but the treatment of Steiner's material like the partial score of the Corbomite Maneuver is delightful.

The long suite of Paradise Syndrome is a joy as well.

Anyone else still a fan of these?


"One Big Happy Fleet"

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 3:24 PM   
 By:   Sean Nethery   (Member)

I haven't listened to them in a long time, but the Varese albums were especially enjoyable to me when they first came out in the 80's.

And I carry them (um, along with ALL other released Star Trek music) on my phone.

I'm going to give at least one a listen this week - thanks for the reminder.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 3:29 PM   
 By:   EdG   (Member)

I agree, they're wonderful. Fred Steiner did a particularly good job and of course the irreplaceable George Korngold made a massive contribution to ensuring the accuracy of the whole production.

I like the Label X recordings also but they don't have the same level of craft to my ears.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 4:25 PM   
 By:   Basil Wrathbone   (Member)

These re-recordings are excellent. I never tire of them.
But... I always skip the Jerry Fielding tracks, in both the Varese and Label X sets. I like Fielding very much, but the light/comedy feel and content of those particular episodes seem a bit out of place amidst all the more dramatic music elsewhere on these discs.
Also, I think the Fielding "Tribbles" score is less-well suited to the weightier orchestral sound of the superb re-recordings. I much prefer the smaller-sounding original soundtrack of "Tribbles".

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 5:39 PM   
 By:   Micki Moreau   (Member)

I wish there was a second printing of the 15-cd set. So much great music out of reach frown

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 5:47 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Very nice photos, Hedji!

I still play the re-recordings, along with the LLL box set. I'd never part with them. I especially like "The Corbomite Maneuver" and "The Empath." And I've found that "The Paradise Syndrome" re-recording makes a good encore to the original soundtrack, when it ends but you're in the mood for more.

BTW, Label X Volume 1 happens to be the greatest bargain on all of iTunes: $3.99 for 40 minutes of Star Trek music. All four CDs are on iTunes.

"The Conscience of the King" is one of my favorite scores, but it suffers for what's missing in the Label X suite: the Shakespeare motifs and "Phaser on Overload." That's one of the many scores you need the LLL box for.

I would also say the Royal Phil CDs add a dimension of stereo and modern digital sound quality that "isn't everything," but it is a good thing. The Sony PCM-1610 machine may be outdated now (it wrote digital audio files to a U-matic format video cassette), but it captured the full audio specs that a CD can deliver, and damn if that isn't good enough for me.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   MMM   (Member)

The two Varese STAR TREK re-recordings (as well as the first re-recording on Herrmann's THE KENTUCKIAN) was why my first choice of a conductor for our Monstrous Movie Music series was Fred Steiner. Fred actually worked with us for a while, but when our recording plans had to shift -- putting us in the middle of Winter/Christmas in Poland -- Fred had to back out due to scheduling conflicts. We were fortunate to quickly find Masatoshi Mitsumoto, and I can't picture anyone better to have handled our project, but we felt his dramatically powerful performances of the STAR TREK scores was the way film music should be recorded. Of course, the technical aspects of those recordings was superb, too, but it was great hearing film/TV music sounding DRAMATIC, rather than like something heard at a Pops concert.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 7:18 PM   
 By:   films1   (Member)

I still own these and indeed they are so good, lovingly put together and fine music throughout. I still often play these . i had them all on vinyl and replaced with CDs .

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 7:29 PM   
 By:   Lukas Kendall   (Member)


I find that I seldom if ever listen to these, now that I have the OSTs. But they were hugely important at the time.

Lukas

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 7:30 PM   
 By:   NSBulk   (Member)

I enjoy these albums and still listen to them.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 7:50 PM   
 By:   Jurassic T. Park   (Member)

I didn't know about these re-recordings and I'm usually not for them but they have added sparkle to older material like THE MALTESE FALCON and RIO CONCHOS.

Based on Lukas' comment though I'm wondering if they're worth it? Especially since I'm fortunate enough to have the LLL boxed set. SPECTRE OF THE GUN is probably my favorite overall. Good ol' Jerry Fielding.

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 8:05 PM   
 By:   other tallguy   (Member)

I've come back to them from time to time. Oddly I have a better understanding of them because of the TOS Box.

Does anyone know the history of how these remarkable things came to be?

It blows my mind that the these all came out in 1985. I mean, there had been no Star Trek recordings and then the floodgates opened right when I was the perfect age both in terms of interest in Star Trek, interest in soundtracks, and buying power.

I think I bought them in '86 (shortly after GNP's The Cage / Where No Man Has Gone Before). I don't think I listened to them very much except for Doomsday Machine and The Enemy Within. (Heh, I just realized that those are both Kaplan. I wonder if I noticed back then.) Corbomite was good. But Enemy was the only thing that really got purchase with me. (I'm so sorry I never realized the genius of Charlie X.)

Wow, I know that the cost of four LPs was not nothing to me then. And I'm pretty sure I barely listened to them! The movie scores? Sure! Lots!

The other funny thing is that these are all either my top or bottom Star Trek scores. Charlie X and Enemy are just about the all time champs. I, Mudd I don't even listen to on the Box.

I should revisit the Label X Conscience of the King. I didn't really warm to this one until the Box. Now it's a fave.

Hedji, thanks for the post!

p.s. At this late date it's interesting to check out the Cincinnati Pops' suite of The Cage. 1984! Beat them all by a year!

 
 Posted:   Jan 11, 2022 - 9:04 PM   
 By:   Tom Servo   (Member)

Yes, these are still great albums, worth revisiting, in the same fashion as how the Gerhardt and Zubin Mehta recordings of Williams' first three Star Wars scores are worth keeping alongside the original recordings.

In recreating my TOS "highlights" compilations, I actually attempted to somewhat recreate the suites from these performances, using the original tracks from the LLL set (Garage Band is my software tool). I like the single episode suite format, purely for a more musical flow.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 1:12 AM   
 By:   Stephen Woolston   (Member)

I love them too.

Some of the recordings were slower than the OSTs and all had more of a concert hall feel rather than the closer, tighter feel of the OSTs, and for that reason I still craved the originals.

However, now I have the OSTs, I'm paradoxically able to love these recordings even more, because I'm no longer listening to them wishing the originals would come out.

Cheers

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 1:48 AM   
 By:   Yavar Moradi   (Member)

I don't think that's paradoxical at all Stephen, but instead makes perfect logical sense. They've become a pleasant extra alternative rather than a disappointing substitute for the "real thing".

Yavar

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 2:16 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

I was happy with them until the TOS boxset…and now I’m spoiled ??

As for re-recordings, I listen to the CD from the Star Trek Ultimate Voyage Tour.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 2:19 AM   
 By:   Nicolai P. Zwar   (Member)

What Yavar said. I don't think that is paradoxical at all. I used to have the original LP release for BLADE RUNNER by the New American Orchestra, which I bought concurrently with the film and found hugely disappointing, as it was the film score as a nicely arranged jazz-lounge-easy listening arrangement. I was so happy when Vangelis original soundtrack was released in 1994, and even happier when Vangelis released a 3CD set and BSX released their re-recording (one of the finest all time BSX releases). Now that I have those, I can return to the New American Orchestra version and appreciate it for what it is.

Also, the Star Trek re-recordings were really good, I don't think the original recordings "supplant" them, I see them as complimentary. But I very much enjoy having different versions of the same music. Very often, different recordings reveal different things.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 3:52 AM   
 By:   Superman1701   (Member)

For some people the re-recordings are the first ones they ever heard and one always has a soft spot for the first performance they ever heard.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 4:13 AM   
 By:   Adventures of Jarre Jarre   (Member)

My Trekkie brother had these (though whether he still has them after multiple moves is another matter) and they sustained my craving in my early soundtracking days before LaLaLand came to the rescue. The upper band colors of the Label Xs had me wondering whether there was ever a "redshrit" album in the works.

 
 Posted:   Jan 12, 2022 - 6:55 AM   
 By:   Accidental Genius   (Member)

I still listen to them, absolutely. I can't always find the time to listen to the phenomenal complete box set, so these are nice listens. They're also great recordings and I have a nostalgia with them, too, because for so long it's all we had.

 
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