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 Posted:   Jan 14, 2022 - 2:57 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Listening (finally!) to the Silva Screen season 1 and 2 score CDs of Space: 1999, it is plain to me how similar to Jerry Goldsmith's bold grandeur & import Barry Gray's (and others) works are. I believe Barry Gray could certainly have scored important Trek.

I find it unusual that I never made that connection before.

An additional aside, I also find Welcome To Piri, by Chuck Cassey ("Undersea", 1974, apparently), to be incredible. Eerie and apt... one of the reasons I liked that episode so much. A very good pick.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2022 - 3:20 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

I've never connected Space: 1999 with the feeling of TMP. But both are in my personal canon of timeless sci-fi scores. I think Jerry got into some higher levels of invention and complexity, take for example "Epsilon Nine." Jerry created outer space and painted a wondrous feeling from scratch. But Barry Gray had a different task and less time if I'm not mistaken. He made some damn fine TV scores.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2022 - 4:14 PM   
 By:   paulhickling   (Member)

Odd one this. It was always obvious that Space 1999 was emulating 2001. STtMP was closer to Roddenberry's vision of Trek than the regular series was, being something closer to 2001. The same can be said of Next Generation. So those three things have a similarity to each other slightly distinct from regular OS Trek.

Not sure I see the similarities in the music however. I will agree though they have quality in common. Goldsmith is probably the best ever Trek score of all. And a Gerry Anderson series without a Barry Gray score has it's soul missing.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2022 - 5:29 PM   
 By:   Gold Digger   (Member)

Space 1999 is my all time favourite TV series. Adored it beyond belief. I had the toys, the stun gun, communicator, the book annual, Corgi green and white toy model Eagles, the albums, the CDs, photos of the stars and books. I lived Space 1999 as a child. Barry Gray is a TV music god. A genius and one of the great tunesmiths.

However there is no link whatsoever to the legendary JG’s ST TMP.

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2022 - 6:14 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

Space 1999 is my all time favourite TV series. Adored it beyond belief. I had the toys, the stun gun, communicator, the book annual, Corgi green and white toy model Eagles, the albums, the CDs, photos of the stars and books. I lived Space 1999 as a child. Barry Gray is a TV music god. A genius and one of the great tunesmiths.

However there is no link whatsoever to the legendary JG’s ST TMP.



I'm a little older: your first paragraph would be my history with Star Trek. By the time Space: 1999 came along, I was more mature. I just watched every single rerun obsessively, bought all the books, and built the Eagle model kit. And in later years got all the music. So it's hardly the same thing. smile

 
 Posted:   Jan 14, 2022 - 6:54 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Most folks will immediately think of the season 1 main title, but when I compare it to TMP, I am thinking of the eerie at-the-whim-of-space passages Mr. Gray composed... reminds me of all of the Vejur Flyover material.

(I should find a sample on the recent score album to illustrate...)

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2022 - 6:45 AM   
 By:   King Solium   (Member)

I don't see or hear a connection at all.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2022 - 7:13 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)

None of Barry Gray's music seems to bring to mind TMP for me at all. I've been a fan of the series since it premiered. I have every music release and have had every home video collection. The only smarties are in the unisex uniforms, the slow pace of the stories and the pseudo-philosophical, overly serious tone.

 
 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2022 - 12:04 PM   
 By:   Paul MacLean   (Member)

Actually, the score that always reminded me of Barry Gray was Elmer Bernstein's Saturn 3. Bernstein's disco title music was not far removed from the style of Gray's Space: 1999 theme. The alternation of lush, romantic music with avant garde techniques also brings Gray to mind. All it lacks is the Ondes Martenot (ironically).

In fact Saturn 3 as a film made me think of a Gerry Anderson production -- the beautiful art direction offset by a unscientific premise, and effects work that looked like something Derek Meddings would have done ten years earlier.

 
 Posted:   Jan 15, 2022 - 3:56 PM   
 By:   ZapBrannigan   (Member)

None of Barry Gray's music seems to bring to mind TMP for me at all. I've been a fan of the series since it premiered. I have every music release and have had every home video collection. The only smarties are in the unisex uniforms, the slow pace of the stories and the pseudo-philosophical, overly serious tone.
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I'm thinking you meant similarities, and spell check fixed it, made it smarties. I really had to pause and ponder that one. smile But I agree with what you're saying.


Actually, the score that always reminded me of Barry Gray was Elmer Bernstein's Saturn 3. Bernstein's disco title music was not far removed from the style of Gray's Space: 1999 theme. The alternation of lush, romantic music with avant garde techniques also brings Gray to mind. All it lacks is the Ondes Martenot (ironically).

In fact Saturn 3 as a film made me think of a Gerry Anderson production -- the beautiful art direction offset by a unscientific premise, and effects work that looked like something Derek Meddings would have done ten years earlier.



Good observation, I never thought of that. But yeah!

 
 Posted:   Jan 16, 2022 - 5:00 PM   
 By:   Warlok   (Member)

Tracks 24 and 25 from season 1, from the Another Time Another Place episode. Eerie exploration, eerie discovery, with terrific import. Very like the impact of The Cloud and Vejur Flyover.

I am sure the grimmer eerieness was utilized in other episodes, and/or the relevant parts were similar to others.

 
 Posted:   Jan 17, 2022 - 8:46 AM   
 By:   Scott McOldsmith   (Member)


I'm thinking you meant similarities,


Yup, stupid spell check. Thanks for always knowing what I'm saying, Zap!

 
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